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Topic: Dolby/DTS/SDDS/THX sound trailers
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Joe Redifer
You need a beating today

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From: Denver, Colorado
Registered: May 99
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posted 08-14-2001 08:25 PM
Could we possibly reduce the "Clear Fields" button down to one pixel?The first version of the Dolby Train (at least the first version that I saw) was fairly long and said "Dolby Stereo Digital". It had 5 "clanks" in the beginning that cycled through left, center, right, right surround, and left surround, in that order. The newer, shorter version just says "Dolby Digital" and the mix is, to be blunt, extremely wimpy in comparison. It only has 3 or 4 "clanks" in the beginning (only one surround clank). The longer "Dolby Stereo Digital" version also had a much better bass mix and the whole thing was kind of surreal. You can't have long logos these days with all of the other crap that plays before the feature, so I can understand why they shortened it. But still, it's as if some one took the original train, cut it up and then wiped their ass with it and rereleased it. They should have just retired the train in my opinion (which doesn't count)  Click here to download a stereo MP3 of the original train. Unfortunately I didn't include the surrounds in this mix when I recorded it from a DA10. It was recorded a very long time ago.
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Steve Scott
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Minneapolis, MN
Registered: Sep 2000
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posted 08-15-2001 01:25 AM
Too often, I think, people forget how much really goes into the soundtrack of a film. (Someone once said that it was two-thirds of the experience) The whole movie is going to showcase actors & camera work, and that will be obvious to the audience. But I've heard audiences in my 18 plex say, "Oh! They must have surround sound!" after a flyby or explosion in a movie. HAVE surround sound? How much money did we throw into THX "certified" equipment and soundproof auditoriums to just HAVE surround sound?People (in my experience) are only conscious of digital movie sound on 3 occasions: 1. It's playing too loud 2. It's not playing at all 3. There's a snipe before the movie -Sometimes, too, when there's something wrong with the sound, but only when it's major distortion or continual digital data dropouts. Even when we put up DTS and Dolby posters near the auditorium doors, very few people noticed. It's only when we make note of the sound during the film by identifying Dolby, DTS, etc. with snipes that they notice & (maybe) appreciate what they're hearing. My favorite is still Tex. Yes, it's kind of obnoxious & childish, but whenever I see it, it makes me wish that guy could fix more of the problems that infest the projection business. 
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Bobby Henderson
"Ask me about Trajan."

Posts: 10973
From: Lawton, OK, USA
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 08-18-2001 03:12 PM
As far as I know, for DVD and Laserdisc, there has only been one version of the Dolby Digital train trailer made (with the Dolby Digital logo instead of "Dolby Stereo Digital"). It is a slightly shorter trailer than previous versions. It should be noted that there are different 384kb/s and 448kb/s encodings of this trailer. My copy of "DVD Spectacular" has a 384k version, whereas the DD Demo DVD has it upped to 448kb/s --and it sounds a little better. But I do agree that the volume of this clip is not as "loud" as past DD train trailers. I recall a DD Train trailer on the front of "The Lion King" (at the glorious-but-gone Northpark #1) scaring the crap out of some kiddies and making them cry. Heh heh.I heard the one with the whistle and extra intro music for the first time at the Casa Linda 4 theater in Dallas back in 1995. I had previously "Dolby Stereo Digital" trailers where the metallic clicks were done over near silence. The one I saw on the front of "The Lion King" in 1994 is one example. Another is when I saw "The Program" back in 1993 at Cinemark's Hollywood USA theater in Garland. This was on a then-THX certified screen with Dolby Digital. Pretty forgettable movie though, outside of the controversial scene where the jocks lay down in the middle of the highway to let cars buzz right by them (some stupid frat boys got killed in real life copying the scene and Buena Vista cut it out of home video versions). Speaking of different mixes, the Tex THX trailers have been mentioned here and there. I like the "Tex 2: Moo Can" clip, but I have heard different mixes for this one. A .VOB file I downloaded of the theatrical trailer sounded kind of wimpy, unlike the first "Tex" trailer. The same wimpy sound mix is found on the limited edition THX trailers DVD that Dell sends out with its THX-certified PCs. But on the "Toy Story" Ultimate Toy Box, "Tex 2: Moo Can" rocks! I mean that one really packs a punch and has much more engaging surrounds. My guess is that they remixed this trailer with Surround EX in mind and then beefed up the bass while they were at it.
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Bobby Henderson
"Ask me about Trajan."

Posts: 10973
From: Lawton, OK, USA
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 08-19-2001 01:01 AM
Dell's THX PC thing is basically just a promotional thing for THX I guess. You get a few little goodies such as a nice looking mouse pad (that does not work with my optical mouse) and the little THX trailers DVDs, which has "Broadway," "Grand," "Tex" and "Tex 2: Moo Can" along with some THX Optimode stuff. Of those trailers, "Grand" definitely has the most aggressive and system challenging mix. I mean it is damned loud at the end.This program certainly doesn't mean a computer system is going to sound as good as a commercial movie theater or even a good home theater system for that matter. THX and Dell made a deal and in their "THX PC" program, a computer has to have a minimum level of hardware standards (certain size monitor/video card, CPU, memory level, etc.), but one of the central things to that is the computer one of the computer speaker systems THX has certified for PCs. In Dell's case, the Altec Lansing ADA-885 system is what they sell. Its nice for a little Dolby Digital speaker setup. But as far as "THX certified" computer speakers go, Klipsch makes a better setup (although theirs has no Dolby Digital decoder built in). Just like I don't think THX Digital Mastering has anything to do with Home THX or the very separate Professional THX program for commercial theaters, this THX PC thing is a very different department as well. The only thing they all have in common is the THX brand name. I suppose for this THX PC program to get taken more seriously it would have to be opened up to more computer vendors than just Dell. And for things to be properly "certified" the computer software situation would have to be addressed. Everything from basic applications to operating systems need to be overhauled desperately.
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