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Bobby Henderson
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There is a point where the sound of children laughing can be heard on the DTS "Sonic Landscape" trailer, but I hear that closer to the end of the clip as the piano key slide and bass swell suddenly builds up. I guess it seems like it is at the beginning since the clip is so decidedly short.

Speaking of subtleties, does anybody recall that different version of the Dolby Digital "Train" trailer (when it was still Dolby Stereo Digital)? This one had some kind of mystical flute intro with a deep bass whirr down as the clicks in the four corners of the auditorium hit. I wish this one was on my DD Demo DVD instead of the regular clip. I don't think that version (at least the audio portion of it anyway) is available anymore. I thought it sounded more interesting than the more straight forward sounding version that sometimes gets played in Dolby Digital movie theaters. The train wheels jarring forward is still great on either version.

I think my favorite trailer out of all the THX, DD, DTS and SDDS snipes is still the THX Cimarron trailer. That one just looks so cool.

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Joe Redifer
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Could we possibly reduce the "Clear Fields" button down to one pixel?

The first version of the Dolby Train (at least the first version that I saw) was fairly long and said "Dolby Stereo Digital". It had 5 "clanks" in the beginning that cycled through left, center, right, right surround, and left surround, in that order. The newer, shorter version just says "Dolby Digital" and the mix is, to be blunt, extremely wimpy in comparison. It only has 3 or 4 "clanks" in the beginning (only one surround clank). The longer "Dolby Stereo Digital" version also had a much better bass mix and the whole thing was kind of surreal.

You can't have long logos these days with all of the other crap that plays before the feature, so I can understand why they shortened it. But still, it's as if some one took the original train, cut it up and then wiped their ass with it and rereleased it. They should have just retired the train in my opinion (which doesn't count)

Click here to download a stereo MP3 of the original train. Unfortunately I didn't include the surrounds in this mix when I recorded it from a DA10. It was recorded a very long time ago.


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Brad Miller
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Joe, that is NOT the original version of the Train logo. That is the second version, which I was very annoyed to find that Dolby had changed. The original version has the speaker pings over near-silence, doesn't have that cheezy whistle and was more "beefed up" (for lack of a better term). I never liked this version (that you posted here). IMHO the sound mix on this shouldn't get loud until the first CHUG of the steam engine, which this version (posted above) does not. It's just loud all the way through. I want Dolby to bring back the ORIGINAL one! The reasoning I was told it was discontinued was that it was damaging speakers. Oh well, people should've built better systems.

While we're discussing new tracks for logo trailers, perhaps Mr.Costas can tell us when the original mix for the THX Cimarron will be re-released? Again, the original mix was fantastic, but the new one (found on the SRD versions and "most" 35mm SR prints) is lacking. (Somewhere I have a recording of the original version of this.) They are completely different and I got the same reasoning behind the change...too many people built sound systems that couldn't handle the track.


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Steve Scott
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Too often, I think, people forget how much really goes into the soundtrack of a film. (Someone once said that it was two-thirds of the experience) The whole movie is going to showcase actors & camera work, and that will be obvious to the audience. But I've heard audiences in my 18 plex say, "Oh! They must have surround sound!" after a flyby or explosion in a movie. HAVE surround sound? How much money did we throw into THX "certified" equipment and soundproof auditoriums to just HAVE surround sound?

People (in my experience) are only conscious of digital movie sound on 3 occasions:
1. It's playing too loud
2. It's not playing at all
3. There's a snipe before the movie
-Sometimes, too, when there's something wrong with the sound, but only when it's major distortion or continual digital data dropouts.

Even when we put up DTS and Dolby posters near the auditorium doors, very few people noticed. It's only when we make note of the sound during the film by identifying Dolby, DTS, etc. with snipes that they notice & (maybe) appreciate what they're hearing.

My favorite is still Tex. Yes, it's kind of obnoxious & childish, but whenever I see it, it makes me wish that guy could fix more of the problems that infest the projection business.


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Joe Redifer
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I knew you were going to say that, Brad. But it is the original version that I ever heard (like I said - the first version that I ever saw). There probably was a version that I never heard. But the one I posted (bad recording) beats the hell outta the shorter version that is available now (the one available for download in videos section).


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Brad Miller
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I knew you were going to say that you knew that I was going to say that, Joe, but I had to say it anyway, as you well know.

Personally, I prefer the mix that is out right now over the one that you posted above. There are more dynamics in the current mix, but it is definitey too short and nowhere near as good as "the" original mix.


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Evans A Criswell
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Is the version of the DD snipe that is on the Chasing Amy Criterion laserdisc the original "train" snipe?

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Joe Redifer
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I don't know. Post it. Wasn't Chasing Amy mono or very close to it?

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Mike Blakesley
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I wonder if Yamaha Pianos underwrote the cost of the dTS Sonic Landscape trailer?

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Steve Scott
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Chasing Amy was SRD & SDDS. The snipe seems close to the original Train, but I've only seen one version of the Train snipe.

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Bobby Henderson
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As far as I know, for DVD and Laserdisc, there has only been one version of the Dolby Digital train trailer made (with the Dolby Digital logo instead of "Dolby Stereo Digital"). It is a slightly shorter trailer than previous versions. It should be noted that there are different 384kb/s and 448kb/s encodings of this trailer. My copy of "DVD Spectacular" has a 384k version, whereas the DD Demo DVD has it upped to 448kb/s --and it sounds a little better. But I do agree that the volume of this clip is not as "loud" as past DD train trailers. I recall a DD Train trailer on the front of "The Lion King" (at the glorious-but-gone Northpark #1) scaring the crap out of some kiddies and making them cry. Heh heh.

I heard the one with the whistle and extra intro music for the first time at the Casa Linda 4 theater in Dallas back in 1995. I had previously "Dolby Stereo Digital" trailers where the metallic clicks were done over near silence. The one I saw on the front of "The Lion King" in 1994 is one example. Another is when I saw "The Program" back in 1993 at Cinemark's Hollywood USA theater in Garland. This was on a then-THX certified screen with Dolby Digital. Pretty forgettable movie though, outside of the controversial scene where the jocks lay down in the middle of the highway to let cars buzz right by them (some stupid frat boys got killed in real life copying the scene and Buena Vista cut it out of home video versions).

Speaking of different mixes, the Tex THX trailers have been mentioned here and there. I like the "Tex 2: Moo Can" clip, but I have heard different mixes for this one. A .VOB file I downloaded of the theatrical trailer sounded kind of wimpy, unlike the first "Tex" trailer. The same wimpy sound mix is found on the limited edition THX trailers DVD that Dell sends out with its THX-certified PCs. But on the "Toy Story" Ultimate Toy Box, "Tex 2: Moo Can" rocks! I mean that one really packs a punch and has much more engaging surrounds. My guess is that they remixed this trailer with Surround EX in mind and then beefed up the bass while they were at it.

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Brad Miller
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Bobby,

Yes that Dolby Train logo you heard in front of Lion King at GCC Northpark was indeed the GOOD and ORIGINAL one that Dolby no longer makes. As you pointed out, the big tip offs to this particular mix were having the speakers pinged over near silence and the logo "Dolby Stereo Digital" at the end.

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Joe Redifer
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THX Certified PCs? What the hell? I want THX to come and certify my toilet. It is a bit too echoey right now and I feel that the levels could be more balanced when I let one fly.

If I had the $$$, I'm sure they'd do it.

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Bobby Henderson
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Dell's THX PC thing is basically just a promotional thing for THX I guess. You get a few little goodies such as a nice looking mouse pad (that does not work with my optical mouse) and the little THX trailers DVDs, which has "Broadway," "Grand," "Tex" and "Tex 2: Moo Can" along with some THX Optimode stuff. Of those trailers, "Grand" definitely has the most aggressive and system challenging mix. I mean it is damned loud at the end.

This program certainly doesn't mean a computer system is going to sound as good as a commercial movie theater or even a good home theater system for that matter. THX and Dell made a deal and in their "THX PC" program, a computer has to have a minimum level of hardware standards (certain size monitor/video card, CPU, memory level, etc.), but one of the central things to that is the computer one of the computer speaker systems THX has certified for PCs. In Dell's case, the Altec Lansing ADA-885 system is what they sell. Its nice for a little Dolby Digital speaker setup. But as far as "THX certified" computer speakers go, Klipsch makes a better setup (although theirs has no Dolby Digital decoder built in).

Just like I don't think THX Digital Mastering has anything to do with Home THX or the very separate Professional THX program for commercial theaters, this THX PC thing is a very different department as well. The only thing they all have in common is the THX brand name. I suppose for this THX PC program to get taken more seriously it would have to be opened up to more computer vendors than just Dell. And for things to be properly "certified" the computer software situation would have to be addressed. Everything from basic applications to operating systems need to be overhauled desperately.

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Steve Scott
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Don't forget that THX used to cerify VHS tapes. I find it hard to believe that THX was actually doing something in the Film to Tape transfer that could really make these tapes superior to others.
It's all in the name, it really is.

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