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John Walsh
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 - posted 08-19-2001 07:51 AM      Profile for John Walsh   Email John Walsh   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Gotta be a bit careful about using any chemicals on rare, few-of-a-kind, and/or archival prints. Long-term effects are not known.

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Aaron Sisemore
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 - posted 08-19-2001 01:21 PM      Profile for Aaron Sisemore   Email Aaron Sisemore   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
>>Gotta be a bit careful about using any chemicals on rare, few-of-a-kind, and/or archival prints. Long-term effects are not known.<<

1. Seeing that the print, although it has fantastic color and picture quality, is beginning to get curly and warpy (NO smell however), and from the results of the tests Brad has done, I figured that a good FilmGuard treatment can't hurt anything... it isnt as if I am FG-ing an original nitrate IB GWTW...

2. The print owner gave his OK to apply the [FilmGuard laden] cleaner. He also uses FG in the theatre he co-owns.

Brad: Perhaps you might want to remind us all of the tests you have performed and their results?

Aaron

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Brad Miller
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 - posted 08-19-2001 02:51 PM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
12 years now and the FilmGuarded test prints are still in excellent shape while their "dry" mates are brittle, shrinking and warping. These tests were done with new trailers of many different batches, but always the same "title" for direct comparison. Also, various core sizes and windings coupled with different storage conditions consistently turned up with the same result that the FilmGuarded mates were in better condition down the road.

For prints that cannot be stored in film storage vaults and are stored in film depots or in collector's homes, the tests show nothing to lose and everything to gain.

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William Hooper
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 - posted 08-20-2001 12:19 AM      Profile for William Hooper   Author's Homepage   Email William Hooper   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
New prints of rep titles are often struck.

For instance, if you get Casablanca from Turner, it will be a recent print. Additionally, replacement reels for new prints of rep titles are often struck.

And since the runs are small, they don't like platters.

http://www.geocities.com/rotoflex/misc/nplatt.htm


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Leo Enticknap
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 - posted 08-20-2001 06:40 AM      Profile for Leo Enticknap   Author's Homepage   Email Leo Enticknap   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
It wouldn't matter if you did use FG on an original IB nitrate print of 'Gone With the Wind', just as long as you did not use it on the camera negatives (and/or the preservation masters, if these have decomposed or not survived).

I do agree that you have to be a lot more careful with original (or as near to original as are extant) elements than with release prints. However, even originals are treated with some chemicals: for example, archives ultrasonically clean, rewash and polish camera negatives before copying, a process which involves 1,1,1,trichloroethane and acetone (and probably several other chemicals that I'm not remembering). Other chemical treatments are used to reduce scratching if an archive feels that the risk of doing this is outweighed by the chance of a better picture from contact printing than could be obtained by wet gate.

However, all of these chemicals were systematically tested by archives and university research labs before they were used for this purpose, with the results suggesting that the benefits outweighed the risks. So I wouldn't be against the use of FG on archival masters in principle, but I would want the endorsement of a major player in the field (e.g. the International Federation of Film Archives, or AMIA) before I did so myself.

I have recently bought some FG from Jack Roe and used it on release prints in our collection (which are mainly used by researchers working on Steenbecks), with very good results. IMHO, it's almost as good as ultrasonic cleaning, rewashing and polishing by a lab (as good, as far as I can see, for filling in scratches but not quite for lifting off dirt), but at about 2-3% of the cost. That can't be bad, especially for small archives such as mine which has a very limited budget even for making preservation dupe negs, let alone release prints.

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