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Steve Guttag
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Sean:

Yours is the first positive experience I have EVER heard of re: LTI. I started selling Christie's to a customer that had over 50% failure on LTI and his was not the only negative comments I've received. As I said, yours is the first positive I have heard. The only negative I have heard on Christie is their cost but cost/hour seems to be the best. Superior Quartz also hasn't had any negative feedback either and are priced competitive to LTI and Perk.

Steve

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John Walsh
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 - posted 09-09-2001 03:36 PM      Profile for John Walsh   Email John Walsh   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
From what you describe, I think you have a XHN lamphouse. If so, the air blower intake is in the rear, top center. You would see the microswitch on a bracket just behind the intake vent grille. Each side door is removable and have two handles (earlier XH model doors were on hinges; no handles). There is only one safety key-lock in the center of each door (earlier XH models had two for each door.)

I e-mailed you a copy of the XHN manual.

The blower could be dirty, but if they have always had the problem, I don't think that alone is it.

There have been slight differences between models, but usually air does not blow straight forward. I blows up through a hole by the front bulb support.

Not to be a pain, but the CFM really has to be measured. I would guess that any CFM about 250 or higher would pass your test, however the manuals states that 400 is required for this lamp in the 2000w configuration. Since this has been an ongoing problem, it might be worth getting a meter. I think you would get good use out of it in the future.

Are all lamps at the place the same? Do they all have this problem?

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John T. Hendrickson, Jr
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 - posted 09-09-2001 07:11 PM      Profile for John T. Hendrickson, Jr   Email John T. Hendrickson, Jr   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Randy:

Is there a fire damper in the flue? We had this problem and it turned out to be a faulty fire damper blocking the air flow just enough so that the flow was not sufficient to cool the bulb. We removed the fire damper from the flue and that solved the problem.

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Paul G. Thompson
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Steve and Sean - Generally, I don't like to plug brand "X" or brand "Y" on these forums, but I use Christie xenon lamps. I am happy with them. They give me a good light on the screen, and they give me good milage, too.

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Paul G. Thompson
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Hey Randy - what was the actual problem? Was the fire damper going "Wooga Wooga"?

Anyway, if you have the XH Xetron lamp, they extinguished the bulb by dumping the blower motor. What Xetron had in mind in those days must have been an after thought of a completion of a bottle of 151 (my favorite) rum. (Drats!!!! They don't serve that stuff in North Dakota)

But seriously, another problem could have creeped up. Was the blower motor in the lamphouse changed recently? Who changed it? Was it the right RPM, and was it the right direction? A squirrel cage will blow air even if it is running in the wrong direction. But the amount of air it moves is equivilant to a mouse passing gas! In those lamphouses, it should be equivilant to an elephant passing gas!

When Theater Chain "P" went gunny sack, we got some of the theaters back. In one of the theaters, the little "yellow dog" Strong Lamphouses were burning up xenon lamps by the gross. After scratching my butt for several minutes, I discovered their "Technician" replaced the blower motors (which were rated at 3,000rpm) with blowers rated at 1800rpm, purchased from Jow Blow's Sleezy Hardware & Second Hand Junk Shop for 5 bucks a pop.

Could this have happened to you?

I had three lamps between 3 lamphouses that never reached 500 hours before they failed.

Paul

P.S - When I was in the United States Navy, my Division Officer told me, "Chief, you have lots of class." Now whether that be good or bad, i don't really know... I can hardly wait for Bob Maar (The United States Grunt Corps) to chime in on this one....


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Don Sneed
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 - posted 09-10-2001 06:18 AM      Profile for Don Sneed   Author's Homepage   Email Don Sneed   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Our new Strong consoles here in Japan is also eating bulbs, the LTI bulbs are going out at 500 hrs. or less, we were using Osram at 1st, then the bulbs were going out at 500 to 800 hrs, we had Strong to come over twice to check the consoles, and no problems were found, we were told to switch to the LTI bulbs..we did, now we get 300 to 500 hrs....the customer don't want to change to anything else, since the bulbs are under warranty and keeps getting new bulb at 500 hrs. Still no problem can be trace to bad cooling or a bad rectifer....I think we are all having a bad batch of bulb problems !!

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Steve Guttag
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 - posted 09-10-2001 12:39 PM      Profile for Steve Guttag   Email Steve Guttag   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Paul,

Point noted and agreed but in this case, both Christie and LTI were listed by the original poster as bulbs having these problems...my mistake was bringing up a bulb that was neither of the two...sorry.

Steve

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Bob Maar
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Do I detect a note of jealousy from the former squid in in the great state of Washington. Since my main position is more managerial than technical, I have sent the gentleman who is a transplanted northener a telephone number to call and speak to a technician who is still in the north and will help solve his problem.

Although it sure sounds like a cfm problem to me.

The paper work I have read for the 2000Watt xenon lamp the ventilation should be 500cfm.

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Wes Hughes
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 - posted 09-10-2001 04:29 PM      Profile for Wes Hughes   Email Wes Hughes   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hell, go for 800 CFM. It won't hurt anything.

I have recently purchased a few LTI lamps...and I think they have very good light, and are reasonably priced. The only thing is, they are at around 500 hours (2K's), and so I cannot yet comment on the longevity of the lamps.

I hope I haven't made a mistake?!

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Paul G. Thompson
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Yes, Bob.

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Brad Miller
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Bob, tell that technician in the north to register and post here so that anyone else in the future having this problem will be able to access the archive for the fix.

Also be sure and challenge him to beat your post count.

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Paul G. Thompson
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Steve, I wonder if Randy and Don got a bad batch.....But if the mounting ends of the bulb show discoloring as in Randy's case, it sure sounds like a CFM problem.

Wes, 800cfm pull through the lamphouse could cause your internal cooling motors to run too fast. It could also rip the sail switch right off the mount and deposite it inside the blower.

It would be just like sticking a blower motor out the car window, and watch it "take off".

Paul


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Gordon McLeod
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Not only rip the sail switch but the sail switch might not pull over to the off position when the internal fan shuts off causeing the lamp to stay lit. Remember the XHN on off switch turns off the internal blower and the sail switch turns off the rectifier

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Wes Hughes
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800 CFM will not hurt most lamphouses...It really isn't THAT powerful. I used to run all my stack blowers exactly at factory specifications with the access doors closed, but found with a lot of lamphouses 2K and up that 800 CFM got me quite a few more lamp hours, and in some cases a cooler head and gate.

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Wes Hughes
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Oh, and Gordon, you are right about too much stack exhaust keeping the proof switch up and leaving the lamp burning. I didn't even think about that. We use a lot of XENEX lamphouses, and still have a few (Bleh!) ORC lamhouses, so that isn't an issue.

We have 4 in our theatres that are converted carbons...and they don't have ANY safety switches.

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