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Ken Lackner
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Atlanta, GA, USA
Registered: Sep 2001


 - posted 09-23-2001 09:00 PM      Profile for Ken Lackner   Email Ken Lackner   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Thanks guys. This forum is wonderful! I hope I can find and fix the problem.

So why would connecting a wire across a saw mark that I've already found damage the system?

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Aaron Sisemore
Flaming Ribs beat Reeses Peanut Butter Cups any day!

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 - posted 09-23-2001 11:34 PM      Profile for Aaron Sisemore   Email Aaron Sisemore   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Probably not. Be careful though not to short any of the adjoining traces.

Aaron

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Randy Stankey
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 - posted 09-24-2001 12:00 AM      Profile for Randy Stankey   Email Randy Stankey   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
To start with you shouldn't make or break connections to electronic equipment while it's under power. Accidentally short two circuits/wires/traces together that shouldn't be shorted and... "PffffffT!!!"

In your case, you'll have to remove some of the insulation from the area in question. Small particles of copper are going to be liberated in the process. Not a good thing to have floating around. Take the failsafe off the projector and work on it where you can control where the dust goes.

Finally, once you've taken a close look under there and verified that it really is (or isn't) the problem, fiddling with it while it's mounted on the projector isn't going to get you anywhere. It'll end up being a lot easier and more convenient to just take it off and work on it on the bench.

The main point is that there's no reason to take such a risk even if, admittedly, it is a small risk. It's always a good idea to do repairs (and your job in general) the best way you know how. Not only is it more professional behavior but if you build up a reputation with people that you "do good work", they'll trust your judgement later on when something REALLY important comes along!

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Bill Purdy
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 - posted 09-24-2001 11:21 AM      Profile for Bill Purdy   Author's Homepage   Email Bill Purdy   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Sorry to take so long to respond to this problem, but I have been out of town.

All that has been said about the cut traces on the circuit board can be true, but also, it is possible that the cue sensor itself can be at fault. It does happen, not often, but it does. Please try to swap the sensor itself with another unit if you can. As was mentioned above, all you have to do is remove the two little screws (#1 Phillips head) that hold the sensor (the black box thingy) to its shelf, and then pull it straight out to unplug it. If the trouble follows the sensor unit there is nothing you can do about it other than replace it. Electronic parts do sometimes shift in value. In cases like this we are pretty flexible about sending replacements out "just in case".

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Bill Purdy
Component Engineering

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Ken Lackner
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 - posted 09-24-2001 05:45 PM      Profile for Ken Lackner   Email Ken Lackner   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Bill - I already tried swapping cue sensor modules. When I removed it, the outboard LED on the board was still lit! So I guess there is something wrong with the board. I will take a look at it tomorrow. Yesterday and today were my days off.

I would never attempt to do any kind of work on the board when it was still attatched to the unit. I just wanted to know if I could connect a small wire across a trace that I could actually physically see was open just to see if that would solve the problem. But I will not do that.

Is it possible that just the LED is lit, but there is really no false cue? (I doubt it, though, because the tails show up on screen (IE: no show end cue) because the show end cue is the outboard cue.)

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Bill Purdy
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 - posted 09-25-2001 10:50 AM      Profile for Bill Purdy   Author's Homepage   Email Bill Purdy   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Ken, it looks like you are in need of a "Repair/Exchange" unit. Your tech or your office can order one directly from us and you will get a complete FM-35 fully refurbished and like new with all the upgrades etc. When we get yours back we will fix it up and it will go into our exchange stock. If we feel that the trouble is our fault you will be billed about $65.00 for the rebuild (you keep the exchange unit you already have). If other repairs (such as the cut traces mentioned above) are called for there will be a little more charge. Our office manager tells me that they average about $90.00 total. Not bad for what essentially is a new unit.

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Ken Lackner
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 - posted 09-25-2001 05:34 PM      Profile for Ken Lackner   Email Ken Lackner   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Well, upon close examination, I found no open traces. As far as I can tell, the board is physically fine. My tech replaced the entire FM-35. So I have the old one that I get to take to the lab and play with. Any other suggestions as to what the problem may be?

I'll let you guys know what I find, if I find the problem.

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