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John Pytlak
Film God

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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 10-25-2001 12:49 PM
As a start, maybe participants in Film-Tech who work at theatres that are equipped to show 70mm can list their projection and sound system details (e.g., projector model, platter or reels, screen size, auditorium size, DTS/mag, sound processor, last 70mm print played, etc.), and whether they are confident that their theatre has the equipment, personnel, and expertise to properly handle 70mm as "Film Done Right". If you feel a few upgrades would be needed (new screen, new lamp, DTS reader, etc.), list them.Be honest in your appraisal, as we are trying to develop an up-to-date listing useful to distributors in deciding whether to make any 70mm prints. Saying your theatre can properly handle 70mm, and then ruining a print through carelessness or lack of experience will only help kill any rebirth of "The Splendor of 70mm". As Mickey Rooney said many times in those MGM musicals --- "Hey gang, let's put on a show!" ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7525A Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243 E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion
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Randy Stankey
Film God

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From: Erie, Pennsylvania
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 10-25-2001 03:57 PM
Okay, here's a question: How difficult is it to learn how to run a 70mm show if you are a good 35mm projectionist?At the Warner theatre I used to volunteer at, there was a set of Norelco AA's. I ran them in 35 and I was getting pretty "handy" when I had to leave for NC. I never really had a chance to run it in 70. There was a few feet of 70mm leader lying around on a reel and I ran that through, just to prove to myself that it worked. It did and I'm convinced that, with some work to get the projectors clean and adjusted properly, a 70mm show could be shown in that theatre just about any time you wanted. So... for a guy who is willing to try hard enough, how difficult is it to learn... to do right?
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Brad Miller
Administrator

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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99
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posted 10-25-2001 04:33 PM
From a projection standpoint, it really isn't all that much more difficult than running 35mm. Loops are a bit more critical, but so long as the projectionists know what they SHOULD be (ignore ALL idiots who say things like "make a 2 finger loop"), running 70mm isn't a problem as far as a projectionist is concerned. Of course static is substantially increased with 70mm dts polyester prints, but we proved that to not be a problem with the Northpark run of Titanic with FilmGuard (which our good friend John Pytlak got to attend).That being said, the biggest problem I see with 70mm runs is the techs not setting up the equipment properly. Take for example when Hoffa came out at the Prestonwood in 70mm. The film broke on over 95% of the shows! Some shows had multiple breaks!!! Why? Because the tech did not properly calibrate the timing on the platter and the takeup was oscillating, occasionally slamming the takeup arm into the motor. The stripping rollers were so close together in the brain that every splice the film would stall and as the film pulled taught, frequently the tension would cause it to break. The guide rollers were doing a 90 degree twist over a course of less than 6 inches! For that matter, the rollers weren't even aligned right in the first place, for the film was dragging over the edges of the flanges. Add to that the fact that the gate/trap was TOO TIGHT, and it was one disasterous show after another. I was visiting a friend of mine who was a manager there at the time on opening weekend and witnessed all of these problems in the 15 minutes or so that I was upstairs. The really sad part about it is that a senior tech set it up and had the equipment been set up properly, that film would have never broke. 35/70mm projectors are not just a "flip the rollers and run the film" situation. If we could only get rid of the people who treat it that way, 70mm would not have gotten such a bad reputation. We ran TONS of 70mm film at the Northpark and never had a break the entire time I was there, and we did our own setups. There is no excuse.
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Mark Gulbrandsen
Resident Trollmaster

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From: Music City
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 10-25-2001 05:57 PM
Actually I worked out of Elgin Illinos. Star was one of my largest customers at the time. I sold and installed all of the equipment at all their sites except for Madison and The Dells. Reedsburg was the first, then Prarie Du Chein, and then Johnson Creek and one other way up north in Sparta. Also serviced theatres in Manitowoc, Kenosha, Stoughton, West Bend, Janesville, LaCross, and built both Value Cinemas,and several others. The Star people are really great people to work for if you can get hired by them. I guess I kinda kicked MTS in the butt for quite a while and their work was always really inferior to what I was doing(and still is). I inherited most of the above customers just by word of mouth after a short time. Wisconsin is nice(too cold in the winter for me), but Utah blows it away...no comparison if you are the outdoorsy type like I am. I came out to Utah on a whim and liked it here so much that I moved out here to be semi retired.....yea, right, now I'm busier than ever and have less time to do what I want to...Oh well. P.S. I'd love to hear the Union thing going on there. I'm sure that did not sit too well with them. Mark @ GTS
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Daniel Boisson
Expert Film Handler

Posts: 157
From: Buffalo, NY, USA
Registered: Oct 2001
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posted 10-29-2001 07:31 PM
I don't know about the rest of the country, but most all of the theatre owners in my area just can't afford it. They do ok with 35mm, but it costs so much more for 70mm. Its almost impossible to get any money from the owner of my theatre just to maintain the projectors. He owns 3 multiplexes and 1 single house theatre, and he's always complaining that he makes less every year.Plus, most of the general public wouldn't care. I get people, mostly younger, that think all projection is is popping a vhs cassette into a machine. I for one would love to have a 70mm house, there are many people that would drive from far away to see it. ------------------ ...My brain's always wrapped...
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David Kilderry
Master Film Handler

Posts: 355
From: Melbourne Australia
Registered: Sep 1999
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posted 11-03-2001 08:58 PM
This week here in Melbourne, Australia the Rivoli Theatre is running 70mm for the first time since the early 1970's when the AAII's were removed. We are running a revival of "Raiders Of The Lost Arc". The print is pink, but in generallly good condition otherwise. This is a live test for us to evaluate the new Cinemeccanica 70mm platter conversion and the newly installed mag head on the Bauer U3.Rivoli Cinema One seats 500 and there are 7 additional theatres in the complex. The building originally opened in 1940. Cinema One has two Bauer U3's so one is converted to 70mm full time which eliminates the biggest trap for the unwary 70mm projectionist - forgetting to convert the entire film path from 35 to 70!!! The theatre is equipped with Dolby Digital and DTS (the DTS does not have a 70mm reader at this point, we will upgrade it at the first sniff of a DTS -70mm print). Light is 5,000 watt xenon and automation is Pennywise CA 100. The Rivoli is one of 7 screens on our Australian circuit that can run 70mm. Three can run a print tomorrow, the other four need work (lenses, processor mods etc). Our senior projection staff are the only ones able to operate on 70mm shifts. For a look at the Rivoli: http://home.vicnet.net.au/~caths/rivoli.htm David
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