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William Bunch
Film Handler

Posts: 87
From: Misawa, Japan
Registered: Nov 2001


 - posted 01-12-2002 08:46 PM      Profile for William Bunch   Author's Homepage   Email William Bunch   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
My company, ARMY, AIR FORCE EXCHANGE SERVICE (AAFES) kinda implies that we are part of the military. We sare in name only. We are actually a self sustained unit that provides products and services to the men and women in uniform. One of those services is motion pictures. You can read about us at http://www.aafes.com/pa/default.asp

One of the reasons we are still using much older equipment is that just like the mom and pops back home we have to pay our own way. We receive no taxpayer or military funds. All our investments must come out of our operating profits. Another reason is that with good machines like the Simplex and a competent staff it really is not necessary to change much. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. We do manage to keep with the times by upgrading optics and audio wherever possible.

The Navy also has a similar system on their side of the house.

Bill Bunch
Misawa, Japan
Army, Air Force Exchange Service


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Tom Fermanian
Expert Film Handler

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From: Sainte Adele, Quebec, Canada
Registered: Dec 2001


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Bill,
Well kept "antiques" such as XLs if well kept are superior to a majority of the new projection equipement available today, the "grandchildren" of XLs aren't what the grandpas where!In one of our cinemas, Xls premiered in 1951, both machines where divided when the theatre became a twin in 1970, with proper upkeep,changing Spocket,Shoes, pads etc. one or two non-metal gears changed, we only had to have the intermitants rebuilt once each.
Proper sound optics where done a few years ago (in SH 1000s), changed to Kelmar Red Led, both projectors are running fine.If you can afford, change to this type, light much steadier, if optics are kept clean, almost no change in Dolby Tone levels during monthly sound level checks, this achieved by using newer optics & led's as compared to tungsten.
Tom

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Tom Fermanian
Expert Film Handler

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From: Sainte Adele, Quebec, Canada
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PS, Almost forgot, all our cinemas soundheads are transfered to LEDs, we leave LED's on during all operating hours of theatres. Tom

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Ken Lackner
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Atlanta, GA, USA
Registered: Sep 2001


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My last theatre which is only 2 years old now, has reverse scan LEDs and they are on all day. I don't think there's any harm either way with LED's. But from the posts here, it looks as if I was wrong about the exciter bulbs. I guess it's better to turn them off when not in use rather than keep 'em on all day.

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William Bunch
Film Handler

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From: Misawa, Japan
Registered: Nov 2001


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Tom, You are right. Almost all our machines were born in 1950 - 1951. They are using the RCA 9030 Soundhead. Very few problems. Only once did we break a fiber gear and that was caused by no oil in the soundhead. And it wasn't the projectionist's fault either. Turns out the tube under the sightglass was clogged giving a false indication that the oil pan was full.

I tried getting all our sound heads changed to reverse readers when the dye track issue came about. But my superiors did some "research" and discovered that dye tracks were never gonna happen and there would be no need to change out. I wish we could. I have even heard that the RCA9030s are tough to retrofit. Anybody know about that?

As for the LEDs. There is not only one by itself, right? Rather something like 36 tiny LED segments that make up the one bright spot. Also heard that over time these individual segments will wink out one at a time having some adverse affect. Though not much. I read somewhere where there is a modification where you can decrease the voltage to make them last longer.

But things keep changing. The longer I have to wait the cheaper and better things will get. But you know what these incandesent lamps are getting hard to find nowdays.

One bright spot is that we have gotten approval to upgrade some of our premier theaters. One of them is at my location. Going all the way up to a Kinoton FP-25E and Dolby Digital. All new equipment, even the screen. EAW speakers. We are looking for something to last the next 50 years.

Bill BuncH
Misawa, Japan

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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From: Music City
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Ken,
I used to install them left on all the time but that install method was based on the supposed fact that they were going to have a very long life....which they actually do not. Switching the reverse scans and the cat 701's on and off with the automation is a wise idea and can sometimes triple the led life. I've found that they last an average of three years if left on all the time. I have to replace some in Colorado next week that are about that old and the Cat 701's have basically gotten to the point that they only playback some times. I could just crank them up but moving the units to switched AC and replacing them will make more sense especially since its in kind of a remote area. Tripling that almost 3 year figure makes the LED expense miniscule over 9 years, and even less than replacing exciter lamps!
Mark @ GTS

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Ken Lackner
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Atlanta, GA, USA
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Mark,

AC?? I thought the LED's had to run on DC. I am surprised that leaving them on all day is so damaging. I would have though that the initial shock every time they are turned on (same for exciters and LED's) would be worse than leaving them on.

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Ray Derrick
Master Film Handler

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From: Sydney, Australia
Registered: Sep 2001


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Ken, I think Mark was referring to the type of mains supply, not the voltage on the LED, which is indeed DC.

I know of one technician here who has been installing a relay with a series resistor across the contacts to drop the LED current down to about 10mA when film is not running. He is claiming greatly increased LED life and reduced light level fall-off. The relay is controlled by the projector motor switch so the resistor is shorted out whenever the motor is running. We have not been able to verify if this really makes a difference but it makes some sense given the physical nature of the LED array. This is the essentially same idea as what Mark is doing in relation to running exciters at 10%, which he mentioned earlier in this thread.

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Ray Derrick
President/Chief Engineer
Panalogic Corporation Sydney, Australia
Phone: 61 (0)2 9894 6655 Fax: 61 (0)2 9894 6935

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John Pytlak
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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000


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William Bunch said: ". But my superiors did some "research" and discovered that dye tracks were never gonna happen and there would be no need to change out."

There was a panel discussion on cyan dye analog soundtracks at last week's ITEA (International Theatre Equipment Association) Seminar in Los Angeles. Representatives of Disney, 20th Century Fox, MGM, Warner Bros., and New Line endorsed the conversion to cyan dye analog tracks, which will require red LED readers. Miramax has successfully tested cyan dye analog soundtracks on two recent features ("Get Over It" and "Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back". According to Ioan Allen of Dolby, cyan dye track prints sent to theatres with red LED readers had no problems on playback.

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Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
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