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Dave Macaulay
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Jax lights - you gain the ability to run a cyan track... if the "threat" ever materializes...

Save the money, and get a real LED reverse scan kit when you really need it.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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I am aquiring one in a trade in projector shortly. I may decide then to do a review. I always felt that they are a big scam!
Mark @ GTS

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Steve Kraus
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Since the JAX light results in output lowered sufficiently to require a pre-preamp you really do wonder how it would compare with simply staying with an incandescent bulb (which is rich in red) and adding the extra amplification. Throw a red gel in there if need be.

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Gordon McLeod
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Actually they are not as bad as some say I have installed many and only one of them had problems namely microphonics
I use them on the DP70 and am very happy with them and they are very cost effective

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Tom Fermanian
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Jax Lights pretty good, use the in Philips/Norelco Kinotone DP 70 AAIIs & DP 75, very cost effective, running for almost 2 years NO problems

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Steve Kraus
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I don't know about the DP-75 but since the AA-II is already reverse scan it would make sense that all that is needed is an LED light source.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Well the JAX light in a DP-70 or DP-75 is the cheapskates way out of buying the real thing. There are now true LED reverse scan units available for both machines from at least two different companies!
Mark @ GTS

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Steve Guttag
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Mark,

Did you make your reverse scan reader for the DP-75 as well? I know about the AAII version.

BTW, Steve K, the statement about the red LED being less of a service issue than the exciter lamp is not entirely true, especially not for all red LEDs...since they fade over time, they are constantly needing adjustment to ensure Dolby-Level. Also the LEDs often require a technician with suitable test equipment to install whereas the exciter lamp is changable by regular booth personell .

Steve

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Gordon McLeod
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Actually with some of the crappy excitors out there now You need to a fair amount of playing around to get a even light out of some of them

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Pete Naples
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I've got some Jax lights here, four to be exact. 2 on a pair of DP70's and 2 on a pair of DP75's in the same cinema. It's interesting to compare the results between the two. On the DP70 the results are not at all bad, the being a projected image sound head the results are good to begin with, and as the cell is miles away from any stray light, the noise doesn't seem to be much od an issue. However on the DP75, totally different story. The guys can't have any lights on in the booth while running analogue, and we've had to become inventive with bits of cardboard to shield the cell from light reflected off the port glass.

Walter Voight produces a version of his ACL for the DP70, which I am told gives stonking results, althoug I've not personally seen it. On the DP75 or FP20 it gives stonking results but can be a real pig to align, but it's worth the effort for the performance gained over tungsten or Jaxlight.

Gordon you are so right! FP20 / DP75 lamps seem to be the worst offenders, put it in, take it out, bend the flange, put it in, take it out, bend the flange some more........

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Steve, Yes I did. I think BACP is also working on one, and they may also have a direct plug in replacement for the FP-20....no machining involved. By Bye JAX Light!
Mark @ GTS


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Richard Fowler
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The BACP RSTR 2000 fits the FP-20/30 units.....not as easy as doing a Century or Simplex per my tech but at least no machine work.
Richard Fowler
TVP-Theatre and Video Products Inc. www.tvpmiami.com

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Tom Fermanian
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To some of you guys,Jaxlite may be a "cheapskate" way out, but alas our situation, each screen has Dolby Digital and a few DTS, so analog is used for back-up or some stray picture, or trailers without digital tracks, we found it more important to spend big bucks for digital sound than analog. BTW Ultra makes a cover box for DP75 to shield stray light, look into it.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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"BTW Ultra makes a cover box for DP75 to shield stray light, look into it."

You've got to be kiddin. This deserves a full review as soon as I can get to it. Nothin like covern up the problem is there.
Mark @ GTS

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Tom Fermanian
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JAXLITES for DP75s, yeah we know about them, we where the 1st one to purchase them, We found out about the stray light problem, Before, with no pre-amp and tungsten, NO PROBLEM, Now with LED and Pre Amp, Problems, These particular projectors have a full plexiglass door allowing light to seep in .So we built 2 metal cover in our shop, put one on machine, it worked, sent one down to ULTRA, they liked it and put it in production.
Again, cheapskates? well to your US Dollar, our Canadian Peso at 60cents "US" gives us the chance to pay 40cents more on each dollar for equipement bought outside Canada,(+ import,transport ,brokerage) you guys do the math?

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