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Tom Fermanian
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When we had a big picture preferably in cinemascope, we use to purpously run the trailers in flat format with a reduced screen size ration i.e. if screen was 40ft wide in 1.85, we used to still show it in 1.85 by reducing the image to about 25 ft wide also reducing the top masking.(this required another lens + aperture plates).After the trailers, the curtain would close, the masking & screen would then be reopened to full screen about 60 ft in scope!, This lent a special feel to the picture especialy if the sound was 4 track mag.I remember doing this with Funny Girl in it's original presentation.It was great to run these major pictures that had entry & exit music + intermissions by themselves, the whole presentation was reserved exclusivly to the Roadshow film! On many of these pictures, we even had programs of the movie showing!.

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Mitchell Cope
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The "Roadshow Presentation" is very close to the Broadway stage experience. Like a stage production, most shows had an intermission. "West Side Story", for example, did not. Ticket pre-sales and reserved seating were part of the experience. There must be some amount of exclusivity associated with the show as well. You probably woudn't want more than two theaters in an urban area playing the same show. People use to plan their lives around these "events" and would travel for miles to come into the city and see the show. Like TV shows of the 50s, it was common for people to be dressed up (i.e., suits and dresses). Though I don't remember this aspect, Mike Todd would not allow popcorn to be sold at one of his roadshow presentations.

Unfortunately, we seem to have lost the language of the curtain in movie theaters today. Unless the atmosphere is perfectly set, they seem a bit pretentious. The last time I have seen the curtain used where it didn't seem awkward was at Walt Disney World. "The Hall of Presidents" and the "France" exhibit in EPCOT are two that come to mind as being excellent examples where it still works.

I agree with John that the IMAX theater may be the best example of the roadshow experience in the modern community.

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John Anastasio
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Okay, Brad. I'll retract my comment about the platter.:eek Platters, after all, are just another way to feed the film through the machine, not a problem in themrselves.... and I didn't mean to imply that. I know that if you were in the booth it wouldn't make any difference what they were using....because you're a consummate professional who gives a darn about the show. The point was about theaters that get spectacular prints, build them up and then just let any old hack run the show. Sorry I got your hackles up.

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John Walsh
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I think one reason they don't do "roadshow" releases any more is it allows people to read or hear about the film before it get to their town. So, if the film is not that good, it can be killed before it gets off the ground. OTOH, if you just release a film as wide as you can at once, you can collect money before any bad reviews are printed.

I guess that's the problem with roadshow releases.. it's got to actually be a film people will want to see. No studio wants to chance it.

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Mitchell Cope
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John said,
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I think one reason they don't do "roadshow" releases any more is it allows people to read or hear about the film before it get to their town. So, if the film is not that good, it can be killed before it gets off the ground.

While as I don't disagree, another way of looking at it is that the studios are geared towards that first big weekend with tons of hype being focused on that weekend opening. In this day and age, how could a film like Star Wars be a roadshow? Anything you did towards making it a roadshow would end up losing you revenue sales in the end. Roadshow presentations in the 50s (before the home video player and DVD) ran literally for a year or more in many theaters. A movie today is like today's newspaper, it's old news tomorrow.

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Steve Guttag
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But the studios control the release dates of their titles to dvd and broadcast/cable. Studios just had more faith in their product once upon a time. Also, one doesn't have to go back too far to remember the limited engagement (still done in LA and NYC) where only a theatre or two would get a two-week exclusive on a title. The only way it could backfire is if the title is a bomb.

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Bob Koch
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I can`t help responding to this topic. Being only a couple of months from 80 and after 60 years in the business I think my fondest memories of all my years, is as a projectionist on Sat Sun nites in the Alhambra Theatre, Sacto, Ca during the "roadshow" engagement of WB`s My Fair Lady". I was and still am [if it exists]a member of IATSE Operators Local 252 and worked from Sacto as a field engineer for RCA Photophone traveling to theatres from there all over the pacific coast for about 30 years but I always managed to get back home for Sat Sun of this year long engagement.This was changeovers of course with Phillips/Norelco AAII projectors, Strong Excellite 135 ARC lamps and an Ampex 6 channel tube sound system.Of all the installations I have made with, their opening nites etc nothing was more pleasurable to me than these performances;once only 8:00 pm and our presentation,if I do say so myself was flawless. I think there were five of us doing the work, two men on a shift,[roadshow contract] and we were never off the screen in over a year.

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Bob Maar
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Roadshows were an "Art in and of Itself." All Roadshows films were hard tickets with advance sales well in advance of playdate. Group sales offices where opened to cater to schools, organizations,camps etc.

The film company would send an advance man in to the theatre to create publicity about the films arrival. He would also check the theatre from top to bottom and file a report with the distributor.
This included the physical theatre as well as projection and sound.

As an example when I was the Manager of the Town Cinerama Theatre in Baltimore in 1962 we opened "Mutiny On The Bounty." The film company required that new masking and curtains be installed before opening. They shared in the cost of these items. Our group sales office opened two months before the opening of the film. The publicist arranged for the replica of the HMS Bounty to carry passengers from Washington, DC to Baltimore for the Premiere. Government officials, the Mayor, congressmen. Film production personnel, Stars, distribution personnel, theatre personnel, press from both Washington and Baltimore were on board. Live radio was set up in the lobby of the theatre, with tickets being given away as well as other prizes, including a new automobile.

Our advance sales for this two shows per day reached over $150,000., before we opened the doors.This figure included groups.

The show included an intermission and it played at this theatre for
five months as a roadshow in 70mm.It then played for an additional month on grind operation.

I was fortunate in my management life to have worked with the following roadshow films in various theatres:

Ben Hur,This is Cinerama, How The West Was Won, 2001 A Space Odyssey, Fiddler On The Roof,Sound Of Music, Caligula, Last Tango In Paris.


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Frank Angel
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Just as Tom does and I am happy to say, that we too still use curtains just as they did in geh Golden Age of cinema. We try give every screening a "RoadShow" feel. We don't have 70mm, but we still run many classics with 4trk mag. And if we are lucky enough that some operator somewhere didn't remove the entracte, intermission and exit music, we play that. We have even got to such lenghts as to record thoses elements that are on Laserdiscs and play them even though they are missing from the prints.

We run an "attraction" reel that always includes a 1.37 ar cartoon, attractions and one or two PSAs. This allows us to always go from an Academy 1.37 ratio to full scope or to 1.85. This makes the feature, even if it is only 1.85, look more impressive than the preceding cartoon. We have motorized side masking and curtains, so naturally we do a curtain close in between the attraction reel and the feature. The curtain opening before the feature sets the feature aside and tells the audience that something important is happening. (I got that from the "Curtian Protocol" section of the Interstate Theatres Manager's Manual, Austin TX, circa 1965 [I was VERY young]). In fact that's the way they did it in Century's flagship first run theatres in Queens, NY, so it's not just a Texas thing.

We bring the curtain warmers up to a glow as the attraction reel ends. The curtain then closes, there is a 15 - 30 sec pause and the curtain warmers do a slow fade while the houselights dim to their "Feature Level" -- a bit darker than the preshow level which has more light in the asiles. These lighting changes avoid making it seem like we just closed the curtian for no reason as James said. There is a pause, the light levels change and then the curtain opens to whichever wide screen size the feature is in. Our audiences love it. One one patron did voice the fact that "all that stuff before the feature was silly and a waste of time." I told my box office personnel to memorize her face -- that she was forbidden to ever come into the theatre again.

I have gone with both concepts -- opening the masking "in secret" behind the curtain, and also opening the curtain and allowing the audience to see the mask open as well. We let the curtain open past the mask which is still at 1.45ar; about two or three feet past it, the mask is then started so that it follows the curtains.

If you ever ran WOODSTOCK, you can really have fun with this. Nearly the entire first reel is in 1.37 -- the anamorphic image placing the square image in the middle of the screen. We play the that entire first 15 minutes with the mask and the curtains set at 1.37 -- it's in mono, no music just documentary-type talk. Then the picture fades to black and the opening credit music starts in full stereo with the surrounds kicking in and the image goes to full width scope -- we obviously aint in Kansas any more. At the point we open the mask and curtains simultaniously to full scope positions. Simply spectacular. God, I love this business!


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Frank Aston
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Thank for all the comments and stories. It's been lovely to find that so many of us are "working from the same songsheet".

What are your memories of the most dramatic music overtures, Intermission points (Ben Hur and El Cid are mine), ent'acts to the second half, finale etc?

Kind regards,

Frank.

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Dave Bird
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Gordon probably knows of the odd theatre up here that still does it the roadshow way. There's a little twin (balcony is #2) in Renfrew Ontario (pop. 9,000) called the O'Brien. Absolutely stunningly restored old house, organ, the works. Entrance music, previews on the smaller screen, curtain closed, opens back up as the first images begin, sconces dim to "not quite off". All this to a small crowd on a Thursday in the dead of winter, so you know this is done every night. I thanked the owner on the way out and chatted a bit. What a treasure. The next day, I asked some high-school kids about the theatre, and what they thought of it. "Ah, it's alright." Such ignorant bliss! (Owner was in the midst of restoring another house, and looking for another organ, there's hope folks!)

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Frank Angel
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Frank,

For me it's a toss-up between MY FAIR LADY and CAMELOT as far as incredibly dramatic endings into intermission go. Both have great music that swells to a powerful climax. But I have to tip it to CAMELOT because the music is a bit longer and more rousing; after a great monologue by Richard Harris as King Arthur (with a weird looking phalic shadow playing on his face during the whole speech -- quite bizzar), the camera cranes up to show an overhead shot of the Round Table with all the knights around it. If you don't get goosebumbs and chills bringing the up the curtain warmers, kick up the sound level a few points and timing the curtains to close precisely at the fade-out of this powerful sequence, then you need to get your vital signs checked.

I have run both of these classics many times in my career and the pleasure never deminishes; it's just so cool making these works accessible to new audiences.


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Frank Aston
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I've always found the conclusion of the first part of Ben-Hur rather thrilling.

After 135 minutes of drama, intrige and spectacle, Judah Ben-Hur is told falsly, by Esther, that his mother and sister are dead.

He breaks down in the derelict courtyard of his formerly lavish villa and then looks up with vengeance in his eyes.

He storms off into the night as winds swirl the leaves in the courtyard, there is a slow fade and Miklos Rozsa's music swells into an impressive and quite long Intermssion title.

Ah. The memories.

Frank.

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Edwin Graf Diemer
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Here's one I've always loved-in the 1969 version of "Goodbye, Mr. Chips, Peter O'Toole as Chipping runs off to stop his wife from leaving him. John William's music goes nuts; Petula Clark jumps in a car and races down the English countryside. The camera holds still as she drives into the distance, and for about 30 seconds all is still as all you hear are birds. "Intermission"-slow fade. Sensational effect-its especially powerful on the laserdisk. "My Fair Lady" was amazing at the Ziegfeld, as well.

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Bob Koch
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Frank Aston
Best score and music to me had to be My Fair Lady. Warner Bros always had the best musical scores, even from the thirtys, and Fair Lady was no exception. Wonderful WB orchestra, the overture, the walk in music after the intermission, and the exit music I have never heard anything on film that approached it

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