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Steve Guttag
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 - posted 01-31-2002 07:50 AM      Profile for Steve Guttag   Email Steve Guttag   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
>>"Steve: I got the info from my dealer rep who was told about the supposed demise of SCP during an ITEA event several weeks ago."<<

There is your problem...your source is from a person that heard about it at an event and you reported it as fact. How many people removed from the source does your statement come from? When one talks about a company like that, it is irresponsible.

Now, I also agree about the 2000 series people...what do they have to look forward to? Al?

Steve

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Leo Enticknap
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 - posted 01-31-2002 08:29 AM      Profile for Leo Enticknap   Author's Homepage   Email Leo Enticknap   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Scott/Richard: They're probably killing Beta SP because most Digibeta decks will also play SP tapes. So the big broadcasters don't mind because they don't record on SP anymore and neither do they have an immediate problem accessing their archival holdings. I imagine that the smaller ones will probably switch to DV and PC-based editing before long and save a lot of money in so doing. Given that you can get a camera for £2-3k and a computer which can capture and edit to a better quality than Beta SP (including software) for the same again, I don't think many tears are going to be shed for a format which costs £10k just for a basic edit deck.

When they pull the plug on digibeta too then we're in trouble, but at the moment this format is still in mainstream use.

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John Pytlak
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 - posted 01-31-2002 08:38 AM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi Al!

Glad to see you participating here again.

The same rumor popped up on Perry Sun's D-Cinema Zone website, and Brad and I questioned it there too. You may want to give them a first-hand update on the situation too:
http://www.dcinemazone.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000247.html

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Richard Fowler
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 - posted 01-31-2002 10:15 AM      Profile for Richard Fowler   Email Richard Fowler   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Leo,
your are right about the capability of more modren products able to handle Beta SP.....the life cycle has been long enough and when you consider in the broadcast / studio market equipment upgrades are more rapid based on a different business model than cinema. Sony has brought in a key manager / engineer from from Toyko early last year to help consolidate resources and he has good track record in previous changes in the company.....I remember him 20 + years ago when he was brought in to manage an audio studio division that Sony purchased. Sony - Columbia Studios is ramping out of the HD / film transfer business since this has reached a maturity point with many other sources such as Kodak, Liberty Media and others. Sony is putting their resources into broadband delivery research......which will be a key issue with Digital Cinema.
Richard Fowler
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Larry Shaw
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 - posted 01-31-2002 02:53 PM      Profile for Larry Shaw   Author's Homepage   Email Larry Shaw   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Al,

After reading between the lines a bit, I wonder about 2 points:

1. Will Sony be continuing to manufacture SDDS equipment for installation, or just selling existing stock?

2. Will Sony be continuing to design and develop new SDDS products?

Thanks,

-Larry Shaw

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Michael Pace
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 - posted 01-31-2002 09:40 PM      Profile for Michael Pace   Email Michael Pace   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
With regard to the SDDS discussion about its demise or not jogged the memory bank into gear. In recent weeks I have noticed that an increasing number of movies have not got the SDDS soundtrack on them.

Sitting at home I cannot remember which titles but when I get back to work I will make a list and post it.

This makes one think - What are the film producers seeing in the future of digital sound systems?

Regards,

Michael.

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Brad Miller
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It is just that time of year. Australia may be different, but here in the states the fall and spring "less than blockbuster" films generally only have SRD or SRD and DTS tracks on them as a cost issue. Now if you had've seen this during the summer months, then ok, but I don't think it means anything at this particular time of the year.

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Steve Guttag
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Generally, you will find that MGM/UA has SDDS and DTS but no Dolby Digital except on big releases.

Paramount often does not have SDDS, except on big releases (I believe FOX also favors DTS and Dolby Digital).

I'm sure things may be different in different countries though.

Steve

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Rory Burke
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As far as SDDS is concerned.....in my book......ITS ALREADY GONE!!!
Retorfits or no retrofits.....I have found the systems needs too much babying. I think that it sounds great and that 8ch is a wonderful feature and although some argue that Digital EQ is not up to par I would accept a system sound challenge and would ut SDDS up with anyone. Plus I love to do Sony Installations. They are fun and easy to do adusting levels etc etc.!! Beats a CP-500 anyday! It just requires too much fidling with and my experience working with snotty nosed young ego filled projectionists who could care less about film handling techniques; if the Sony itself doesn't falter then the film gets too dirty or scratched for the Sony unit itself to read it properly. I just can't win with it.

refering to some posts above.....DV and PC based editing are already exixtent in the professional world. There seem to be sooooo many commercials and TV programs that more and more are produced today that many of you have seen and are familiar with that were edited on an iMac laptop by the director himself on the plane while on the way home following the original shoot! The technology and usage of it is already here and so long one has a decent Digital Camera with some good software like Final Cut Pro thats all it really takes with out having any image quality issues!! Got Milk? Mitsubishi anyone? It was hard for me to swallow but seeing is believing and in my current line of work its becomming almost quite amazing!

Rory


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Paul G. Thompson
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There was one SDDS installed in a local theater (not ours) that did not work since it was installed. For about 2 years, it just sat there and collected dust.

It, along with the LE and RE amplifiers, were removed from the theater by the installer a couple of months ago.


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John Walsh
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Well, this might be worth alot someday:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1507446355

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Steve Guttag
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 - posted 02-01-2002 06:43 AM      Profile for Steve Guttag   Email Steve Guttag   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Again, I'm not having the problems with the 3000 series players with prints becoming unrunable under normal booth conditions. With the 2000, my biggest problem was the unexpected, unexplainable, as Brad acurately terms it, "spazzing" out. I wish Sony offered a good upgrade program from the 2000 to the 2500.

Steve

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Bobby Henderson
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 - posted 02-03-2002 12:28 PM      Profile for Bobby Henderson   Email Bobby Henderson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Anyone have any idea when SDDS will update their website? I don't think the thing has received any attention at all in nearly 2 years. The least thing they could do is copy and paste the SDDS film list from Perry Sun's Movie Sound Page web site. At least that is one list that gets updated on a weekly basis.

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Gordon McLeod
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I still think for them to survive they need to bring out a addon unit like the da20 with no eq or level set that connects to the cinema processor

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Brad Miller
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 - posted 02-03-2002 06:25 PM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
I wholeheartedly agree with you Gordon, but I would like for such a unit to have two options (besides penthouse offset, of course)...

#1 A "click this button" to level match all channels to a DA20.

and

#2 Individual level controls like a DTS unit. There are a few times here and there where this is preferrable.

Also, if they do this, Sony needs to make sure the outputs are the same DB25 pinin and pinouts of the DA20. Also it is imperative that all 8 channels flow through the unit, so it can be mated with a CP200 w/Aux rack. Dolby did not think of someone having a dts unit mated with a DA20 in a CP200, for the DB25 input does NOT accept the subwoofer...meaning the dts MUST be placed in the "priority" list of default order. This is fine with me of course, but one would think the designers would have thought about being able to have their product as priority. As things stand right now, looping the signals through a CP200 w/Aux rack require SDDS to be priority, dts must be "second choice" and SRD must be "third choice" with SR as the emergency fallback.

I agree, SDDS would be MUCH more commonplace if Sony was to do this. With the reliability of the 2500 and 3000 series, I see no reason why they do not (unless they are hung up on "taking over" the sound system).


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