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Brian Hogan
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From: Charlotte, North Carolina, USA
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 - posted 02-22-2002 11:43 PM      Profile for Brian Hogan   Email Brian Hogan   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
the bands are pretty lame. in all of my 6 years at AMC we have ALWAYS cut them off and noone has ever said not to. i mean, we have the snipes that say "previews" then after the trailers is another snipe that says "feature presentation". see, cause this way the patrons know that they are actually trailers. trailer rings these days are long as it is... no need for all the red and green filler.

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Joe Redifer
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 - posted 02-23-2002 01:16 AM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I don't know if Ian will remember this, but when we were working at the UA Greenwood our manager suddenly and for no reason whatsoever wanted us to begin removing the greenbands from trailers. We complied. But it didn't last long at all. Maybe a couple of weeks.

I think there should be a required "white band" or "100% Clear Band" with black text. This should not be allowed to be cut off and it will show off all of those lame ass theaters who don't keep everything clean quite nicely.

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Paul G. Thompson
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 - posted 02-23-2002 02:34 AM      Profile for Paul G. Thompson   Email Paul G. Thompson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I don't cut mine off. I leave them entirely intact. Customers would like to know the rating of the movie, and sometimes part of the sound track is still on the green band. I hate chopping off words at the beginning. And, they are neat to focus on, too.

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Frank Angel
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 - posted 02-23-2002 05:02 PM      Profile for Frank Angel   Author's Homepage   Email Frank Angel   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
They are ugly as sin -- I've seen them soft focus while the trailer was perfectly in focus. If the MPAA wants them to play, then they should bloody well get their act together make something that is presentable, not something that looks like 16mm.

I cut them off whenever I can, although I have come across some where the audio actually starts in the last few frames in the rating. Those I am forced to leave in so as not to cut off the opening audio, but I make them short enough just to let the rating box subliminally sink into the audience's brains and no more. Besides, aren't almost all trailers cut [G] so they can play with any feature, no matter what the feature rating? If ALL the trailers you are playing are cut to play with [G] pictures, why need them at all? The actual rating of the feature is almost always placed at the end of the trailer anyway so the audience will be given that information. If as Paul G says, there is a question of the audience wondering if they are going to see T&A during the trailers, I would have Filmack make a snipe (nice and in focus) for me that says "All trailers at this theatre are rated [G] for all audiences." Stick that right after your "Previews of Coming Attractions" and be done with it, rather than repeat the same 15 second green junk 6 times.

What I will NEVER EVER play is the rating at the END of the feature, not that most people are still sitting there, but what's THAT about? Does the MPAA think the people don't know what the rating is before they buy their tickets and enter the theatre? Do they think people will see the rating at the end of the film and say, "Gee, I didn't know this picture was rated R, I want my money back."? It serves no useful purpose and besides, it ruins showmanship for those venues that have curtains. I close the curtains after the last frame of the feature, not on some ugly MPAA bid for free self-promotion.

Then there's the question of the rating title BEFORE the feature. Has anyone seen this? I have had a few -- I will try to remember the titles -- but come on, does the MPAA really think I am going to ruin the feature opening by preceding it with foreign nonsense? It ruins the presentation. I close the curtains after the cartoon/attraction reel. It must open on the first frame of the movie, not some MPAA gack. If there are studio trailers attached to the head of R1, then they are taken off and put in the attraction reel. Curtains close after the cartoon, attraction and short subject play --- warmers are brought to a glow -- during the pause the mask moves from 1.37 to whatever wide screen ratio and then the feature starts....at the feature's first frame, not with additional trailers or a rating title. The MPAA can frown all they want, but that's the way we do it and Jack Valenti himself won't make us change it.

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Jonas Heijkenskjold
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 - posted 02-23-2002 05:50 PM      Profile for Jonas Heijkenskjold   Email Jonas Heijkenskjold   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I propose that at every reel change should be put a rating band to remind the audience of what movie they are watching, some clear film to check the lamp alignment and to state the cleanliness (?) of the film, then finally a couple of meters of SMPTE 35-PA to check focus and framing.

Some of the hollywood trailers we get here in Sweden still have the green band on. MPAA ratings donīt apply here so they go off, whether they contain sound or not.

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Wes Hughes
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 - posted 02-24-2002 02:22 AM      Profile for Wes Hughes   Email Wes Hughes   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Its funny that some of you here detest cutting off one frame of a feature print, yet will hack off the entire green band from a preview roll!

They really aren't very annoying...In fact, i never heard one mention of this until this site. If you think they are too long, edit them down, but don't chop them off.

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Sean McKinnon
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 - posted 02-24-2002 03:41 AM      Profile for Sean McKinnon   Author's Homepage   Email Sean McKinnon   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I feel sorry for the poor guy that designed the greenband, If he was reading this he would probably be very upset that people are screwing with his work, also...

The green band is one of those expected things, people expect to see them before trailers it has become part of watching a movie in a theatre, look at how it is imulated in our culture in advertisements and such so, DONT KNOCK THE GREEN BAND!

Also... I believe that the blueband shopuld be shown also, maybe theatres cut them off because they do not leave anough leader and they get dirty? Thats FILM DONE WRONG

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Jesse Skeen
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 - posted 02-24-2002 01:42 PM      Profile for Jesse Skeen   Email Jesse Skeen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Trailers USED to have all the rating info at the very end, rather than the beginning- funny thing is on the DVD of the 1974 movie "The Groove Tube", the trailer includes some nudity but at the end is a card saying the trailer was approved for general audiences! The rating card used to be at the beginning of the feature too; a few movies last year had them put at the beginning again (Get Over It, Bridget Jones's Diary, Spy Kids, Atlantis, Crazy Beautiful) but that didn't seem to last too long. These also had the reasons for the rating, which I thought was a "spoiler" (I don't want to be told whether there's gonna be nudity or not before I get to see it ) Nevertheless, these are considered part of the movie and shouldn't be cut off. My idea of "Showmanship" has always been to show the COMPLETE film or trailer; if you're going to cut off rating cards and stuff like that you might as well cut out the 'boring' parts of the movie too.

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Steve Kraus
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 - posted 02-24-2002 02:30 PM      Profile for Steve Kraus     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
After giving it some thought I decided the studio was putting the rating at the head because they specifically wanted it seen and that this in itself would be of interest to my audience (critics) rather than just bypassing it (as I do with attached trailers).

What I decided to do was that when these come along I play them on the closed curtain as I dim the lights so I still have the curtain opening with the studio logo to good dramatic effect as with other films.

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Frank Angel
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 - posted 02-25-2002 05:04 AM      Profile for Frank Angel   Author's Homepage   Email Frank Angel   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Steve, first of, congrats on that beautiful screening room ....and you get a gold medal for the curtains! And your compromise to showmanship is a good one. Obviously you have to show every frame the client gives you for a press screening -- the press need to see the rating.

For you guys seem to love the rating title before the actual beginning of the feature for informative purposes, well, let's see, the patron sees the rating in every newspaper ad, Ebert and Roper give the rating in their weekly critic show, it is up on the marquee before he even enters the theatre, it is on every one-sheet in the theatre display cases, it's next to the title at the box office where he buys his tickets and it is next to the title above the door of the auditorium that he has to walk under to get to his seat. The chance that a patron would be unaware of the film's rating and need to see it on the screen before the feature is ludicrous.

And excuse me, but I DO run the entire contracted title -- everything from the first frame of the FEATURE on Reel 1 to the very last frame of the FEATURE on the last reel. I DO NOT run everything that is on the reel. I don't project the countdown leaders or tail run-out, and by gum, I don't project a self-serving, out-of-focus green or blue, 480 frame length of irrelevant footage attached to the head of the reel with all the other non-projectable, extraneous lab run off, even though it is placed incorrectly by the lab between the leader and the first frame of the film.

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Brad Miller
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 - posted 02-25-2002 05:10 AM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
So you run every frame of the movie eh? EVERY frame? Did Steve Guttag train you?


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Leo Enticknap
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 - posted 02-25-2002 09:36 AM      Profile for Leo Enticknap   Author's Homepage   Email Leo Enticknap   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
When I was working in rep houses, the problem I had with trailers was not so much censor certificates, but trailers which finished with 'Opens on 23 December' or some other reference to a specific date or month. It looks a bit silly to be showing that several months after the date which appears on the screen, but most of these trailers had audio over that title so you couldn't cut it off. What I tended to do was to close the douser while these titles ran through so that the audience just saw black, but continued to hear the sound. But that was in a single-screen where it was possible to do things like that; if you're looking after 20 screens I guess it would be impossible.

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Jerry Chase
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I think the rating should be shown as a "bug" in the lower right corner of the screen. Every important scene should have that "bug." Other scenes should have a slide projector that shows the logo of the theatre circuit. As for the green bands, those are silly. Look at all that wasted advertising space. Green bands should be sponsored by the Irish tourism council. Red bands should be sponsored by Budweiser and have a little beer wagon. Blue bands should be sponsored by film-tech. The "G" could rotate, just like the film-tech main page.

All these bands suck. They were designed in a time when there was a very real threat of censorship, and were part of an attempt to change the perception that kids could see nudity or extreme violence. They are as much a part of a modern show as Lowell Thomas narrating a short on passenger trains before the feature. You guys that like bands are just whiners.


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Steven Privett
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 - posted 02-25-2002 06:48 PM      Profile for Steven Privett     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Is anyone keeping score? Just put me on the list of people who would not cut soundtrack off of film that I plan to project on the screen.

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Steve Kraus
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 - posted 02-25-2002 07:07 PM      Profile for Steve Kraus     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Actually, I don't have a formal policy on the normal tail rating. Sometimes I show them; sometimes not. I suppose I ought to standardize that but it's really not much of an issue because most people leave during the credits just as they would at a commercial theatre and even the diehard credit readers are usually getting up to leave by then. A good portion of my prints do not have rating strips.

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