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Manny Knowles
"What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???"
Posts: 4247
From: Bloomington, IN, USA
Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 03-09-2002 07:55 PM
Gordon: You're right about them being rebuilt in Miami...Is there any way to tell exactly what they were prior to rebuilding? This is just a point of curiosity.The manual that came with the newer projectors is a Xeroxed copy of the Monee manual, with a few alterations (a new front page that says "Westar" instead of "Monee," for instance). Otherwise, the text, pager numbers and font all match the original Monee manual. But, that, alone, doesn't mean they were once Monee machines, right? Maybe they all shared the same, basic manual? How come I get the feeling that the Monee machines are inferior? Did I read that somewhere on this site? ------------------
And, hey! Let's be careful out there. ~Manny.
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Mark Gulbrandsen
Resident Trollmaster
Posts: 16657
From: Music City
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 03-09-2002 09:09 PM
Gord, All of the manufacturers specified lubricants are old fashioned. Most projector manuals were written before modern lubes existed. I guess if U want to be old fashioned thats your choice, however more modern lubricants have far more benefits that the old fashioned stuff could ever provide.
Although Monee or Cinecitta may not reccommend synthetic lube(LaVezzi for instance) I doubt that they even know of it. These machines are manufactured in 2nd and 3rd world countries after all. Being about the same as a Century however they will run just fine with the LaVezzi stuff. After all it is the correct viscosity for that type of machine.
After you know and understand why they are better you wouldn't want to use anything else! From the Selco pages....."EXCLUSIVE GUIDE TO SYNTHETIC LUBRICANTS
Most people have heard that synthetics are better than petroleum based lubricants but don't know why. Well, here's why. Because synthetic oil is composed of molecules that are uniform in weight and shape, its heat of vaporization is much higher (more than 300°C compared to conventional oil which evaporates at temperatures as low as 175°C). This means you'll burn less oil and have less sludge, which is the result of evaporated oil. Added slipperiness is another positive attribute of synthetics. The uniform length of synthetic oil polymers allows them to more easily slide over one another. Mineral-based oil has a film strength of about 500 psi, synthetics are closer to 3000 psi. This means that the oil is less likely to be pushed out from between two metal surfaces where a lot of pressure exists, like bearings. The advantages of synthetics are so great that they out weigh the initially high cost. When you're looking for that little extra edge, synthetics can provide it.
Synthetics are the logical lubricant choice if:
1. Equipment failure or excessive downtime is attributed to ineffective lubrication products or practices
2. Performance demands are beyond the capabilities of petroleum products
3. High or low temperatures (-60 to 260°C) are encountered. Manmade synthetics reduce wear because they provide a better lubricant film in the load zone or nonconforming surface of bearings, gearboxes, compressors, vacuum and diaphragm pumps, rotary shaft seals, valves, and hydraulic systems. Reduced wear leads to reduced maintenance, parts replacement, and energy costs. Synthetics also provide long life because of their enhanced thermal and oxidative stability, which reduces the formation of sludge, corrosion, and deposits.
However, other important variables should be considered when selecting and applying these products. These factors include pour and flash points, demulsibility, lubricity, rust and corrosion protection, thermal and oxidation stability, antiwear properties, compatibility with seals and paints, and compliance with testing and standard requirements."
MArk @ GTS
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Richard Fowler
Film God
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From: Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA
Registered: Jun 2001
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posted 03-09-2002 09:28 PM
Manny,
Westar, a trademark belonging to International Cinema Equipment is basically a Monee two piece ( picture head / soundhead ) projector in which a Kelmar auto turret has been added. Steven also made some models with different gear pitch for longer life but was not too popular ( too confusing...besides when you buy a Century or equal you expect the normal shortcomings for that design ). The machines as they arrive from India require some work on the intermittent ( oil seals, gaskets and sometimes bearings ) due to the fact in their country the majority of the cinemas are still two projector, reel to reel operation and what they ship is O.K. for their normal situation.
Cinecita projectors has been out of production for many years and has recently restarted production due to increased cinema construction ( small lots, less than 50 sets a year ) and there is another company by the name of Poly who also builds Century style....besides Mexico, Peru, England, India, Century type mechanisms where also built in Pakistan.
We also import Monee ( rarely ) which we modify with features different from ICECO when neccessary....and of course Strong.
Richard Fowler
TVP-Theatre & Video Products Inc. www.tvpmiami.com
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