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Topic: Alternate DTS Tracks?
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Josh Kirkhart
Expert Film Handler
Posts: 165
From: Austin/Houston, TX, USA
Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 03-19-2002 02:38 AM
I'm sorry but screw this. Yes, DTS offers cool solutions as far as alternate language tracks. But to happily overdub language so we can get more kids in theatres I say again, screw this! Anyone in the biz has been assaulted with kiddy fare like no other in the last year. I'm sorry, I like the foul language, I like the lack of children in my auditoriums(I must confess I tech most things so I don't have to put up with anyone who I don't wanna). Our busiest days are around kids movies and adventure movies, fine. I love checking I.D.'s at the door(my hobbie at work) and kicking kids out, or pointing them to other movies. I love informing the parents of the rude language and sex they were about to let thier children see, although sad to say they don't care. The only time most parents stand up and say no to thier kids is when we inform them they must see the film with thier child. I'm ranting and falling away from subject. Use DTS discs to give us great dubs, if those exist, so more audiences will take in that artsy fanfare. Don't get me wrong I love cheesy adventure flicks, I just enjoy them not so PC. Since I'm rambling. Mirimax blows the big one. Horrible dubs. Making cuts of films to make them generic enough for america. Bad title changes-Kung Fu Soccer- anyone. Terrible campains. Give these movies to Sony, they atleast have a idea of what to do. Ok, I'll stop but damn I'm pissed, I even edited myself in this post.
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Barry Floyd
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Posts: 1079
From: Lebanon, Tennessee, USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 03-19-2002 12:01 PM
I liked the idea, then after reading everyone's post... I think the two track versions could survive in the proper setting. If indoor theatres offered the Saturday morning kiddie matinee's that they did long ago, it would work. The other venue that it could work... the drive-in. I don't know how many Film-Techer's frequent drive-ins, but if you did - you would see that the MAJORITY of the clientel is young families with young children. Sure, you may say... if you don't like what being said in a particular film... don't see it, and don't bring your children with their "innocent ears" to the theatre. One of the sole reasons people DO still go to the drive-ins is the fact that you CAN bring your kids to the movies and not have to worry about disturbing the people sitting next to you. Why could you not have two DTS tracks playing simultaneously, but broadcasting on different frequencies? Adults tune their radios to channel "X" and families tune to channel "Y". If you could get the remaining 400+ drive-ins in the country to offer an alternative, it might catch on. I would willing to think that a drive-in that caters to the family-types would even pay a small premium to offer such a service. I know I would.
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Steve Kraus
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Posts: 4094
From: Chicago, IL, USA
Registered: May 2000
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posted 03-19-2002 03:38 PM
Greg Anderson claimed: >It's no secret that movie attendance has gone down in the >last few years It has? Not according to the MPAA which states that not only did boxoffice $$ set a record but to dispute that this was entirely due to rising ticket prices, says that more tickets were sold last year than any year since 1959. From the MPAA web site: --- To bolster his observations, Valenti announced that "2001 was the greatest box office year in film history" with total receipts of $8.41 billion. He noted that "a record twenty films released in 2001 soared to more than $100 million box office, with a record five films reaching the rarefied air of $200 million box office." In addition to the success of the box office receipts, Valenti reported that admissions in 2001 came to 1.5 billion, a 5% increase from the previous year and a 30% increase from since the beginning of the decade. "It was," said Valenti, "the largest ticket buying total since 1959!" --- I presume you can cite a source for your data which you claim refutes this.
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Tom Fermanian
Expert Film Handler

Posts: 101
From: Sainte Adele, Quebec, Canada
Registered: Dec 2001
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posted 03-19-2002 04:09 PM
Hey in Quebec, we get DTS discs in english for English prints, french for french prints, actualy It's the same time code for all versions, did a test discs work fine with any print! Here is the snag , it is illegal to run an English soundtrack on a french print or vice-versa, the reason, local classification board (read hidden taxation departement) gets so much per foot of film "classified", they would lose out revenue on an extra print if you they would accept to use different language discs on prints!------------------
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Karen Hultgren
Master Film Handler

Posts: 492
From: Agoura Hills, CA, USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 03-21-2002 12:43 PM
In regards to what DTS offers in playing back films in multiple languages, we make feature discs in languages selected by the studios. It is very common for them to have us make French Canadian discs at almost the same time domestic (English) discs are made. Then, after a week or so, they may ask us to do other langages.We do have 70mm failsafe boards to run DTS 70mm shows. The board connects two DTS players to one CP and reader. Multiple readers can be used but it's more common for the system to use one reader. Either way will work. Anyway, each DTS player has a priority. One is the main player and the other is the "backup." So, if the main player has a problem, the failsafe board will look at the fallback pulse from the main player and use that to switch in the "backup" player. Only one player feeds audio to the CP at a time. To run two languages at the same time, you'd need two players and feed the center channel of tbe "alternate" langage to a transmitter picked up by patrons wearing headsets. We do this for special venue but it is not generally used at "regular" neighborhood cinemas. The DTS-CSS system has this feature built in and if it's used with a DTS player, you have many possibilites - you'd have the versatility of running different presentations for each show time. You could play the film in French with English subtitles at noon and then run in Spanish with French translation on headsets for the 3pm show. It's a pretty cool system. If you'd like more info on the DTS-CSS system, please visit our web site a www.dtsonline.com once there, click on 'cinema'. Karen at DTS khultgren@dtsonline.com
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