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Neil Hunter
Film Handler

Posts: 74
From: Salisbury, NC, USA
Registered: Oct 2001


 - posted 04-24-2002 09:01 PM      Profile for Neil Hunter   Email Neil Hunter   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I second the idea of TES using the type of reels that ETS uses for their prints. But please don't use those spider-web reels that New Line uses. Those are the most God-awful pieces of junk out there.

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Scott Norwood
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From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas)
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 - posted 04-24-2002 10:16 PM      Profile for Scott Norwood   Author's Homepage   Email Scott Norwood   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Personally, I'd vote for a switch to the "Hollywood Film Company" plastic reels (the solid ones [not the clip-together type] with the metal keyway), but I'm afraid that this would be a lost cause.

ETS-style reels would be a good second choice. At this point, however, I would settle for non-broken reels of any design.

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Gracia L. Babbidge
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: Bowdoin, Maine
Registered: Aug 2000


 - posted 04-24-2002 10:54 PM      Profile for Gracia L. Babbidge   Author's Homepage   Email Gracia L. Babbidge   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hmm... my most recent technicolor gripe stems from a lack of communication!

I had a print of In the Bedroom playing at my theater. On the Tuesday before it was slated to be shipped out, Technicolor gave us a call, and asked us when we could have the print ready for pickup, and they were told around 12:30AM, Friday. (The last show ended before midnight, but not much before.)
After I arrived on that Thursday, I found out that the print was going from my booth, to our nearest 'competitor'. They're in a different city, but about 4.2 miles away from us. The assistant manager and I discussed that it would just be ridiculous for Technicolor to send a courier to pick the print, to drive 15 minutes with it, and drop it off, when she would have to drive in that general direction anyway, and could drop it off there, possibly still assembled (and clamped, of course!), or at least only broken down onto 6000' reels...
So, she called Technicolor, and asked them about it, only to find out that they had been told by Miramax to have us send the print over there ourselves! And of course, they never thought to call us, or the other theater, with that info.
...silly pimp fairy bastards.

Yeah, it all went okay, but that had nothing to do with TES!

~GLB

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Michael Gonzalez
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From: Grand Island , NE USA
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 - posted 04-25-2002 01:20 AM      Profile for Michael Gonzalez   Email Michael Gonzalez   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The best reels that I've seen are the old Warner Bros ones (at least they had the WB logo on them anyways) they are one solid molded piece and therefore they never come apart. Some of them have the metal keyholes others did not. I have never had a problem with these reels on the rare occasions that we've received them. I don't understand why they insist on making reels that have to come apart.

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Wes Hughes
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From: Raleigh, NC, USA
Registered: Aug 2001


 - posted 04-25-2002 01:43 AM      Profile for Wes Hughes   Email Wes Hughes   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
* I don't like TES either*

But keep in mind: They are frequently working with a limited number of prints. The individual distributors are responsible for determining how many final prints are in distribution...TES is charged with shuffling them around so that no one is dark. I can imagine it to be a rather difficult thing sometimes.

ALSO, and I cannot stress this enough (and i'm not saying it's right that it's this way) but Airborne Express service varies in quality DRASTICALLY from one area to another...I have much firsthand experience with this. This explains some cases of drivers coming outside of their windows and being late with deliveries.

**Funny Story told for no reason(or is it funny)** Last year I watched the Airborne van drive up on the curb in front of one of my theatres and come to rest against a column out front. Upon investigation I found the driver slumped over the steering wheel. I thought he might be in trouble, but no, he was just passed out drunk. I called the police and complained about him to his supervisors several times, but he was our driver for a month more! When I asked TES about it a week or so later they had no idea what I was talking about (even though I told them about it that night).

As for the paper bands: I used to think some of you guys were silly for complaining about the way they were fastened with the sticker, but GEEZ! I have had nearly every reel for months come in with the sticker placed in the worst positions. Now, I tear them off and throw them way. I think they are useless anyway.

As for the shipment of prints that you are "sneaking" that will be opening a few days later: I have adopted a policy EXACTLY like Mr. Paul Turner: "Hmmmm...ummmm, NO. Anything else?" I said exactly this on last Tuesday night after screening SCORPION KING. I make exceptions with art house titles that I know are really spread thin.

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James R. Hammonds, Jr
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From: Houston, TX, USA
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 - posted 04-25-2002 02:34 AM      Profile for James R. Hammonds, Jr   Email James R. Hammonds, Jr   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
My problems with Technicolor were pretty much covered here already except for one thing.
Why do we have to have EVERY Technicolor print ready for pickup the next day?
I always try to have every print torn down the night it finishes so it will be out of the way in case of midround or nightly print moves, but if there a lot of prints leaving that night, its nice to be able to leave a few of them for the weekend.
It would be nice if they would at least consider moving the pickup date to the following Monday.
I know many people say that its because of fear of bootlegging, but I really dont buy that since ETS prints dont have a specific time when they have to be picked up.
most of the times, the ETS prints we tear down an a Thursday night are not picked up until the following Thurdsay when the new ETS prints are delivered, and sometimes not even then if the driver has a lot of prints to deliver.
I can (maybe) understand if a print has to go to a theatre the next morning and they NEED to pick it up that night, but I have never seen that with more that two prints on any given week.
Even in that case, it would be nice if there were extra prints made so these theatres could acutally get their print on Thursday instead of Friday, but that is probably "not possible" due to "cost issues."
And, as Brad has said before, prints delivered on Wednesday would be nice.
Not only could prints be biult up and screened that night and defective reels ordered that night and replaced before the opening, but the people biulding the prints would be able to screen them instead of tearing down.
Also, Thursday would not be such a long day.
I find out on Thursday nights how many prints of a given title we are forcasted to receive, so why not ship them then or a couple days after?
I realize this is covering old ground, but then again, how many Technicolor threads do we have here?

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Adam Wilbert
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: Bellingham, WA, USA
Registered: Mar 2002


 - posted 04-25-2002 05:53 PM      Profile for Adam Wilbert   Author's Homepage   Email Adam Wilbert   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
John said, "Adam- Just wait awhile! Your time will come."

It looks like i've been jinxed! No sooner do I marvel at the fact that i seem to be in the minority on never having a problem with Technicolor, Airborne looses one of the "Rookie" shipping cans that i need for tomorrow. Granted, thats an Airborn Express problem, but we'll see if my luck holds out and if Technicolor can come through for me again! (fingers crossed)

-Adam

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John T. Hendrickson, Jr
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From: Freehold, NJ, USA
Registered: Apr 2001


 - posted 04-26-2002 07:19 PM      Profile for John T. Hendrickson, Jr   Email John T. Hendrickson, Jr   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Adam:

Please don't misunderstand. I don't wish bad luck on anyone, and I really hope that TES comes through for you on your print of The Rookie. In fact, they probably will. I have found that they are generally good at helping you out when you are truely in a bind.

I guess that some of my wrath is directed at the things that occur when people know better. For instance, we were shipping out only one print today- Big Trouble. Our Airbourne guy, who by the way is top notch, says he has not only Big Trouble, but also Frailty for pickup on his list. When I told him that Frailty is still running, he didn't bat an eye and simply said "See you next week." He knows the score- not his problem. Simply put, there are communication problems at Technicolor.

Another issue is one Brad brings up. How the hell they are able to mount prints on some of the reels they send out defies belief. It just blows my mind to see new prints mounted on trash.

I will be the first to accommodate any other theater that needs a print at the end of our run. Just give us notice and we will have the print broken down and ready for transport ASAP, professionally done. However, please don't jerk us around by demanding that a print be ready early Friday morning and then never being picked up.

Adam, I'd love for you to have one of our prints of "The Rookie". They are four weeks into the run and look as good as the day they arrived. Unfortunately, we're going to keep them at least one more week.

Anyway, hang in there and don't get discouraged.

JTH

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Adam Wilbert
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From: Bellingham, WA, USA
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 - posted 04-27-2002 12:18 AM      Profile for Adam Wilbert   Author's Homepage   Email Adam Wilbert   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
John,
everything worked out just fine. We got the second can early friday in time for the first show. Technicolor gave us the go-ahead to build up the first four reels from the can we had, and mix in the last three from the second print when it came friday, so that helped a bunch. I'm happy.

Also, I really wish we could transfer prints from specific locations instead on relying on the shipping depots to distribute them around. It would do wonders for the condition of the prints as the so-called "film-handlers" who don't give a rats behind about presentation got blacklisted from the rest of the community. I remember getting "Black Hawk Down" from the Navy theater here in town after they had a pre-release screening. They had one show, and the print looked like it had been tied to the bumper of a hum-vee and dragged to our theater for the wide release. I'd blacklist that theater in a second.

Anyway, i don't really think i was jinxed. Just wierd timing.

-Adam

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