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Antonio Marcheselli
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Florence, Italy
Registered: Mar 2000


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Brad,

Cinemeccanica V5, ST200 endless loop Kinoton platter.

Scott,

No, there aren't loop scratch. I can recognize them. They are thiny vertical lines in the middle of the image, that appears and disappears but not a continue line.

There are thousand of rollers here, it is a mess to found out the cause...

Thanks for your support
Antonio

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Brad Miller
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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
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There's your problem. "Endless loop platter!" Get rid of that thing.

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David Whitbeck
Film Handler

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From: Tempe, AZ
Registered: Jun 2001


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I had one of those Kinetronics Static Vac things. We used it and kept it clean, it didn't do a damn thing for us. Prints without stayed just as clean and from my experiences with The Mummy Returns, it didn't help on the static issue either. I trashed mine a week ago.

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Antonio Marcheselli
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Brad, David.

I agree with you but thake a look at that booth...

We NEED an endlees loop platter and a print cleaner. I will talk to my manager about Film-Guard.


Despite the booth, it is a wonderful theater...

Bye
Antonio


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Jan Hackett
Expert Film Handler

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From: Albuquerque, NM, USA
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What is an endless loop platter?

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Jan Hackett
Theater Operations Manager
Extreme Screen Dynatheater
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Gordon McLeod
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There are several attempts at an endless loop plater (they work mutch like a eight track cartridge (oops dateing myself)
The film runs like a regular platter paying out from the centre but on return to the plater the head is spliced to the tail of the print
One type we used to call "the scratch-a-matic"

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Antonio Marcheselli
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Gordon,

I noted that when film is taked smoothly, without messing it, no scratches appear. I remember (one from all) "Pearl harbor" that went out from the platter regularly and absolutely no scratches after weeks of projection.

However I agree with the "scratch-o-matic" nickname...

Antonio

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Brad Miller
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Be careful using any liquid film cleaners with that endless loop platter. Because in your case you rely on the film slipping against itself constantly, you want to use things extremely sparingly. As I do not have access to an endless loop platter, I am unable to recommend specific procedures for using FG on one of these machines. However I did receive some tips awhile back from users of loop platters. This is basically the steps:

Once a week, load up new pads and saturate with FG. Let the pads sit overnight on the cleaner and run the cleaner on the first show the next day. Then remove the cleaner for the rest of the week.

Hopefully you will find those directions to work well for you, but do remember to take it slowly and easy.

By the way, check out the pictures of the AMC Prestonwood. There you will find normal platters running with projectors on pedestals similar to yours. It is possible and didn't really take the operator more than a few extra seconds to rethread. I would push for a regular platter myself.


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Antonio Marcheselli
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Brad,

Thanks for the tips using FG.

Behind the endless platter there are two "normal" platters. We can use them if we want.

The problem is that that is an "old style" theater, with just one screen and just two people inside: one stay at the tickets sell, and another (me) check the audience (take the tickets, have the people in and out...) and, really, I cannot left the hall of the theater to rethreat the projector in that moment...

I saw the AMC pictures. Their booth is more than twice ours!
When you thread the film in our projector you hit the head and the body everywhere...

The Kinetronics cleaner seems to be unable to clean the print in a good way. What do you suggest to have our film in better shape?

Bye
Antonio

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