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Gordon McLeod
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posted 04-29-2002 06:34 PM

Could you tell me where it was added and I guess the question to Karen is how much for the chip and is it easy to pop it in and out as required

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Brad Miller
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posted 04-29-2002 07:12 PM

Interesting calculation Steve. (I did not realize Patton was mixed with 5 stage channels.)

I am also interested in the modification.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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posted 04-29-2002 08:08 PM

I just installed a DTS SV at the Museum Of Ancient Life (see booth photos in the pictures section) and I think the Disney folks told me that it has a maximum playback time of only 85 min. per disk. The thing thats odd is that the format for the "Extreme X" film is still L, C, R, LS, RS, Sub. Apparently Disney has other ideas for upcomming films and this venue needing an SV processor. BTW: the installation into an Iwerks system is a snap. In this particuluar system the Linear Loop has an encoder that talks to the show controller to generate time code. With Iwerks Show Controller all one has to do is to set up a dummy show in the show list to get the rest of the system to run for the length of a given DTS 8 Perf film. This film was just under 4000 feet so we gave it a run time about 15 feet short of the actual length so the system shuts down with the tail still in the machine which is the way they prefer it to stop.
Mark @ GTS

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Steve Kraus
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posted 04-29-2002 11:54 PM

A 6th APT chip is installed in the open socket on the D536 audio card next to the existing 5 chips. V1.46 firmware is required. That's about it.

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Frank Angel
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posted 04-30-2002 04:32 AM

I take it this is a new rerelease of PATTON? Will the 35mm prints be set up the same way....with a forced intermission, at least for the DTS playback? Personally, it's too bad there wasn't a way in the old days to force theatres to take intermission on all the great roadshow pictures. And a to give projectionists some kind of crawling skin disease when they cut off and not return the overture, entr'acte and exit music footage.

Frank

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Greg Mueller
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posted 04-30-2002 09:07 AM

Titanic was 194 minutes and it fit on two disks, but also had room for snipes and trailers etc. So I'm betting you could get to 210 minutes or thereabouts on two disks.

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Karen Hultgren
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posted 04-30-2002 11:39 AM

The files for PATTON were actually quite large and might have fit onto two discs. Its not really how long the film is but how big the files are that determines how many discs are used. We talk about time instead of file size because most customers can relate to it. You start talking megabits and people's eyes glaze over.

With PATTON, there were five stage channels. This required that the DTS player be rewired to the cinema processor. We are *supposed* to be given notice before a screening occurs so that we can assist the theater.

The reason why projection had to reboot after changing discs is that the last disc has a different serial number than "A" and "B". This was decided by the studio. As mentioned, they wanted an intermission.

To make a player 6.0 channels, all you need do is add in another APT chip. But, if the movie you get is in 5.1, it will playback in 5.1. At this time, we make discs in 6.0 channels only for special venue.

Karen at DTS
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Scott Norwood
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posted 04-30-2002 01:15 PM

If there will be a more general release of this title, will there be a 5.1 mix with "normal" DTS disks, or will all of the 70mm venues need the DTS special venue modification (which sounds trivial, except that it requires five screen channels)?

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Karen Hultgren
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posted 04-30-2002 07:44 PM

Hi Scott,

There is only one mix for this film = with 5 stage channels. Those are the only discs we provide.

Karen at DTS
khultgren@dtsonline.com

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Karen Hultgren
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posted 04-30-2002 07:52 PM

Frank,

I saw your message and will find out about OFF TO THE REVOLUTION.

The DTS timecode is shot onto the negative at the same time the analog track is shot. It's "one pass" only. Kodak's John Pytlak posted some great information on that.

In regards to laser etching DTS timecode onto a print. This is not done and we are the only suppliers of our timecode track.

Thanks for the questions, Frank! I'll get back to you about OFF TO THE REVOLUTION.

Karen at DTS
khultgren@dtsonline.com

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Steve Kraus
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posted 04-30-2002 08:30 PM

Directly imaging the timecode onto a print (photographically via an attachment to the printer, not laser etching) would serve no purpose on a 35mm print where a sound negative is needed for analog and the other digital tracks anyway. But for 70mm where only one or two prints are being made it would represent a nice savings and add to the cost advantage over mag.

Of course it might be possible to achieve the same end by using a generic set of negatives, each a bit longer than the longest 70mm reel. Prints made that way would all have the same serial number and would thus be incompatible with the stock disks for that title but burning some special CD/R's to go with the 70mm prints would be cheaper than making timecode negs for just one print.

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Karen Hultgren
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posted 05-02-2002 12:14 PM

For Frank,

About the film OFF TO THE REVOLUTION - it is a DTS analog film. Since it is not DTS Digital, there are no discs or timecode on the print.

If you have any questions, please let me know.

Karen at DTS
khultgren@dtsonline.com

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Frank Angel
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posted 05-02-2002 10:01 PM

Thanks Karen,

I had never heard of a DTS analog release. Is this something new? I take it that it would be totally compatible with standard cinema processors, no? Does it use Dolby SR noise reduction?

Any more details that you could give, Karen, would be great.

Frank

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Steve Kraus
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posted 05-03-2002 12:44 AM

I'm sure it's been discussed here; you may wish to do a search. It's SVA akin to a Dolby Stereo or Ultra Stereo track except that DTS provides the encoding equipment. Can be A-type or SR. If it's not specified I would guess that nowadays it's most likely to be SR.

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Frank Aston
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posted 05-03-2002 02:51 AM

Thanks to Frank Angel and Karen at DTS for simplifying the ethics of this topic.

PATTON is a near masterpiece which deserves to be treated almost as a theatrical event.

It seems that the 3 disks will ensure compatibility for theatres with DTS capability who are conciencious enough to retain the Intermission and it's play-in music.

It never ceases to amaze me that many modern projectionists don't seem able to cope with the concept of a natural break, placed at a suitably dramatic moment, in an epic film. Or the idea that the play-in music will tell the audience that the story is about to be continued.

This, of course, is opposed to an unnatural break, stuck somewhere in the middle of any film over two hours, by some cinema operators.

regards,

Frank.

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