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Paul G. Thompson
The Weenie Man

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From: Mount Vernon WA USA
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 - posted 10-11-2002 02:55 AM      Profile for Paul G. Thompson   Email Paul G. Thompson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Fan?


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Matt Close
Expert Film Handler

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From: Hervey Bay, QLD, Australia
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Sorry if this doesn't really belong in this thread ..... BUT,

I use the Monee (Century knock-off) projectors, and I have a problem with travel ghost. If I totally get rid of the ghosting at the top of the frame, then I have ghosting at the bottom, and vice versa.... The best I can achieve is a little big of travel ghost all over. Do I need to adjust the blades themselves? I see the physical area of the shutter blades can be varied .... would this help matters?


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Michael Gonzalez
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: Grand Island , NE USA
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Sorry shutter blade. I got used to calling it a fan from working with ballantine projectors because the shutter blade on those looks like a fan. Anyway what does it matter which way the shutter blade spins as long as the timing is the same since the blade is symmetrical.

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Dustin Mitchell
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Mondovi, WI, USA
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To be honest I'm not sure if it does matter. I seem to recall I put the belt on backwards once and there was ghosting. I thought the blade was timed correctly, but maybe I was wrong.

*shrugs*

There might not be a difference, then again there might be. Unless there is some sort of advantage to twisting it the other way I'd rather just do it how the manufacturer intended.

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Michael Gonzalez
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Then what is the right way according to the manufacturer? Toward or away from the screen?

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Gordon McLeod
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you may need a wider shutter blade

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Dustin Mitchell
Phenomenal Film Handler

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It should show you in your manual. If you don't have one you can download one from the manuals section of this site.

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Jon Bartow
Master Film Handler

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Matt,
Measure your shutter with a protractor. what do you get? IIRC 100deg is the "normal" Century shutter. However there are "Drive-In" shutters around that are a bit smaller (90deg?). If the shutter that you have is adjustable try expanding it to its maximum (make shure to check the timing after changing the shutter size).

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Matt Close
Expert Film Handler

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Thanks Jon ... I'll check that ......

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Randy Stankey
Film God

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From: Erie, Pennsylvania
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 - posted 10-14-2002 03:44 PM      Profile for Randy Stankey   Email Randy Stankey   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
In the Christie Projector (Most other ones, too.) The shutter should spin OPPOSITE the direction the film is going... In other words, it will spin clockwise when viewed from the rear of the machine (Or counter-clockwise viewed from the front.)

The easiest way to describe it in words would be to hook the belt under the bottom of the shutter pulley, then twist the part that's nearest you toward the front of the projector.

OR... you could just look at this picture...


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System Notices
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It has been 2851 days since the last post.


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Monte L Fullmer
Film God

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Gonna bump this 8 yr old topic up to the present day due to a search that I did, thus please forgive me:

I had to do a search on this topic that happened to me tonight on a Christie belt replacement and had problems like crazy until an almost major reinstall of parts finally cured the problem:

P35GPS - love these units. They don't have the swing-out motor mounts.

I can do a belt changeout in 15 minutes on these units without a hitch - including the pinch method that Brad mentions in this post on the shutter belt.

Tonight, while at the 14plex, I was doing some preventive maintenace while operating-which includes some belt changes.

Thus, got 4 machines done without a hitch until my 5th one and all hell broke loose.

Got the belts installed, hit the screen with the picture and horror was present on the screen: shutter streak oscillation-meaning it would be in time then horrible streaking would follow and then back in time.

Shut down the projector and rechecked my timing-which was totally way off. Thus, retimed the shutter, did the test and continued..and again streak oscillation.

Figured I had a defective double side belt. Replaced it with another one which proved negative-still had the problem.

(we had to cancel the show, but luckily, only 3 people in the house..)

By this time, the AST MGR came upstairs to see what is what. AST MGR called the company tech and was told to change out both the shutter driver and the jackshaft assemblies...along with the shutter.

Did the parts changeout and got the problem solved. I think that the shutter was defective and would not pinch down on the shaft very well.

Yes, I was flustered and embarrassed that of all the belt changes that I've done on these units that this was the first time I've experienced this kind of situation..and was politely recommended by the AST MGR to do belt changes before or after hours-not during operational hours.

*sigh* .. live and learn. - Monte

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James Westbrook
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Lubbock, Texas, Usa
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I'm guilty of wanting to perform some tasks on my regular shifts instead of coming in before the theater opens or after it closes. "There is 40 minutes between shows...that should be plenty of time." Then we discover...no...

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