Film-Tech Cinema Systems
Film-Tech Forum ARCHIVE


  
my profile | my password | search | faq & rules | forum home
  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» Film-Tech Forum ARCHIVE   » Operations   » Film Handlers' Forum   » Horizontal Make-Up Tables (Page 2)

 
This topic comprises 2 pages: 1  2 
 
Author Topic: Horizontal Make-Up Tables
Paul G. Thompson
The Weenie Man

Posts: 4718
From: Mount Vernon WA USA
Registered: Nov 2000


 - posted 06-17-2002 10:30 PM      Profile for Paul G. Thompson   Email Paul G. Thompson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Peter, if you would like to have me come and visit you, I can show you just how neat the MUT's can be.

Personally, I don't find the CFS to be that bad of a machine. True, if they used the old 1964 Dodge Dart breaker points, well, those were a disaster. But with the new retrofits that were available, they ran great!

The biggest problem with them was not the fault of the machine itself. Projectionists just did not understand how they worked. With any machine that uses the same basic principle, Projectionists might think if there is a pay-out problem, it is a pay-out problem, period. Not so....More often than not, it is a take-up problem that is causing the pay-out problem unless someone had a switch in the wrong position and fried a resistor inside the motor housing. Thus, they never seem to be able to fix the problem.


 |  IP: Logged

Ken Lackner
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1907
From: Atlanta, GA, USA
Registered: Sep 2001


 - posted 06-17-2002 10:59 PM      Profile for Ken Lackner   Email Ken Lackner   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I, too, cannot imagine a booth without a rewind bench. But only for inspecting film. A desk works fine for all the other stuff.

Paul, I have never seen the trailer flange pictured. Is it part of the table's spindle, or does it fit over the spindle like a regular trailer flange? So you wind trailers onto the flange, which is on the right-hand spindle, and they form a ring, which you can just drop into the print. Is that correct?

Yes, Strong's table is kinda small, and it is hard to work with a splicer, but you can wind 6000-to-6000 without modifying the table.

I like the horizontal design better than the vertical, but maybe that's just because that's what I learned with. And why is it such a problem to thread the film through rollers? I never minded that.

 |  IP: Logged

Paul G. Thompson
The Weenie Man

Posts: 4718
From: Mount Vernon WA USA
Registered: Nov 2000


 - posted 06-17-2002 11:25 PM      Profile for Paul G. Thompson   Email Paul G. Thompson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Scott, the inspection techniques seem a little off-balance at first when the MUT is used. It is easy to deal with once the projectionist gets used to it.

Ken, what you call the trailer flange is the table's spindle.

Yes, the Strong can handle 6,000 foot reels. That's what I like about them, and presently the ONLY thing I like about them.

But soon, my CFS tables will be able to handle them, too.

As far as the roller threading is concerned, too many parts to thread through = possible derailment and film scratches. Seen it happen too many times with too many airheads.

**********************************************************************
Ken also asked:
So you wind trailers onto the flange, which is on the right-hand spindle, and they form a ring, which you can just drop into the print. Is that correct?

Ken, that is correct. But you might have to pull some or all the old trailers off so the new ones will fit. Again, an important note: Wind them sound track down...then flip them so the sound track is up when you drop them in the center and splice them to the head of the movie.
**********************************************************************

Getting back to Adam's comment where he asked:

Paul, how did you plug the Super Platter MUT into the strong platters for build up? Or are you just breaking down that print? I can't tell.

Adam, that answer is this: Any time a film is being built up, the left-hand spindle is used. The right hand spindle is used only during tear-down. Be sure to release the drives on the platter motors. If you don't, you'll overload the MUT motor and blow a fuse. In addition to that, the drive belts on the actual platter motors will quickly fail.
**********************************************************************



 |  IP: Logged

Peter Kerchinsky
Master Film Handler

Posts: 326
From: Seattle, WA, USA
Registered: Jan 2002


 - posted 06-21-2002 09:04 PM      Profile for Peter Kerchinsky   Email Peter Kerchinsky   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Paul
In total agreement. For some reason or other our Supers scratched film I got the new centerpiece kits some time ago from Scott Hicks and they seem to cure most of the problem. Only trouble I had was the scratching and that constant on-and-off business where it sometimes took a while to get into go mode. The former manager had one platter throw a print and we believe it was the sudden start. Mylar film didn't seem to want to pull the control arm on soon enough.
Will pay you a visit sometime up there.

AW3 for me now is the only way to go!

 |  IP: Logged

Paul G. Thompson
The Weenie Man

Posts: 4718
From: Mount Vernon WA USA
Registered: Nov 2000


 - posted 06-22-2002 01:23 AM      Profile for Paul G. Thompson   Email Paul G. Thompson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Peter, the AW3 is a beautiful machine, but unfortunately, their MUTS suck because you can't rewind a reel on them. If you don't have a bench rewinder, you are basically screwed unless you can improvise with some off-the-wall contraption. In addition to Christie, many other manufacturers dropped the ball in their design of the MUTS.

I guess most manufacturers assumed a booth comes with a make-up/inspection bench. Unfortunately, this is not true unless it is a hold-over from a manual carbon arc booth. As far as the make-up/inspection bench is concerned, they can be very expensive.

Personally, I prefer the old ones with the hand rewinds on them, along with the old Goldberg electric rewind.

I'll keep the coffee pot on for you.


 |  IP: Logged

Paul G. Thompson
The Weenie Man

Posts: 4718
From: Mount Vernon WA USA
Registered: Nov 2000


 - posted 11-23-2002 07:51 PM      Profile for Paul G. Thompson   Email Paul G. Thompson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Bumping to the top for Pat's Thread on "Rewinding on Make-Up Tables"

 |  IP: Logged

Darren Briggs
Master Film Handler

Posts: 371
From: York, UK
Registered: Dec 2001


 - posted 11-24-2002 07:58 AM      Profile for Darren Briggs   Author's Homepage   Email Darren Briggs   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I use cinemeccanica platter and there Horizontal makup up tables, which are great. On the cinemeccanica MUT we make up the films onto two 6000ft spools then spin the on in two halves. I find you can check the print reel by reel when making them up onto 6000' spools very easily. I dont have to have a seperate motrised rewinder as the MUT does it all. Even fits Tower spools on it to store films fully made up off the platter is very usefull.

Darren

 |  IP: Logged

Paul G. Thompson
The Weenie Man

Posts: 4718
From: Mount Vernon WA USA
Registered: Nov 2000


 - posted 11-24-2002 01:24 PM      Profile for Paul G. Thompson   Email Paul G. Thompson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Make-up tables have their place. They are very versitile.

 |  IP: Logged

Bernard Tonks
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 619
From: Cranleigh, Surrey, England
Registered: Apr 2001


 - posted 11-24-2002 02:00 PM      Profile for Bernard Tonks   Email Bernard Tonks   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Always been facinated with Platters, but never worked on them. I visited an old 4 screen rebranded Odeon the other day, with four separate projection rooms would you believe. I can see why you like the Cinemeccanica MUT Darren. I was very impressed, also each box had a rewind bench with 6k rewinders. I'm convinced that I would much prefer the Horizontal than the Vertical type MUT.

BTW Paul, what type of microswitches do you use, Industry Standard or Failsafe - Positive Break? I see Cherry do a Type 3 3mm internal contact gap. Just interested!!

 |  IP: Logged



All times are Central (GMT -6:00)
This topic comprises 2 pages: 1  2 
 
   Close Topic    Move Topic    Delete Topic    next oldest topic   next newest topic
 - Printer-friendly view of this topic
Hop To:



Powered by Infopop Corporation
UBB.classicTM 6.3.1.2

The Film-Tech Forums are designed for various members related to the cinema industry to express their opinions, viewpoints and testimonials on various products, services and events based upon speculation, personal knowledge and factual information through use, therefore all views represented here allow no liability upon the publishers of this web site and the owners of said views assume no liability for any ill will resulting from these postings. The posts made here are for educational as well as entertainment purposes and as such anyone viewing this portion of the website must accept these views as statements of the author of that opinion and agrees to release the authors from any and all liability.

© 1999-2020 Film-Tech Cinema Systems, LLC. All rights reserved.