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Topic: Dynamic Range Limiting
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Oscar Neundorfer
Master Film Handler

Posts: 275
From: Senoia, GA
Registered: May 2000
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posted 06-21-2002 06:48 AM
Here is what the SMART Afterburner does. It is a 6 channel dynamic range compressor. It has an adjustable threshold, usually (but not always) set for around 85 dB SPL as the point where the compression starts. 5 channels are ganged together so that if one channel begins to reduce gain, then all 5 channels reduce to maintain balance. The 6th channel is independent of the other 5 channels and is used for sub so you can reduce sub gain with a lower threshold if you want to help prevent leakage between screens.Below the threshold nothing happens. So soft and subtle material is not altered. Above the threshold, there is a 2 to 1 gain reduction in dB. If the signal increases 10 dB, for example, then the output increases only 5 dB. For a 20 dB input change, the output changes only 10 dB. So if the threshold was set to 85 dB spl, then a signal that would normally hit 105 dB spl only goes to 95 dB spl. The effect is without any noticeable artifacts, at least none that I can hear, and certainly none that have been reported to me. It is so smooth in its operation that you don't really notice it is doing anything until you turn it off and suddenly things are louder. Originally it was introduced to address the problem of digital mixes gone wild with dynamic range that the vast majority of cinemas simply could not handle. We took a lot of heat for daring to mess with someone's artistic discretion, but let's face it, most cinemas simply could not handle the extreme dynamic range in some mixes. Sound leakage between screens and painful levels were not acceptable. Blown drivers and amps were not acceptable. The inability to hear dialog because the overall level had to be turned down was not acceptable. This product filled a need at the time. Since then, mixes are a little less "enthusiastic", and the problem is not as severe although it still does exist. Systems have been improved with more powerful amps and more capable speakers. Then the problem of loud trailers began to get a lot of attention. So the latest ploy with the Afterburner is to put it just in front of the amps so that it catches everything including optical and digital sound. Loud trailers are tamed down, too-loud digital or optical mixes are softened a bit, and the overall result is good. It has a DISABLE switch on the front panel to turn off compression if you don't need it for a particular film, and then easily enable it when you do need it. The product serves a definite need, and I understand that not everyone would want to use it, but those who have used it would not do without it. ------------------ Oscar Neundorfer Chief Engineer SMART Devices, Inc. oscar@smartdev.com
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Frank Angel
Film God

Posts: 5305
From: Brooklyn NY USA
Registered: Dec 1999
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posted 06-21-2002 09:15 AM
In the sound studio we have lots of compressors, threshold limiters and expanders; there is no lack of manufacturers or price ranges of this type of tool in the audio industry. Many contain the three different functions within the same unit, depending on how you set the parameters. They are pro units and not nearly as cheap as the semi-pro and consumer stuff out there but pro units use balanced circuitry, and that alone makes them worth the extra bucks. In a booth environment, introducing unbalanced equipment is introducing potential trouble. Then there's the question of ganging the channels (most pro units are designed to be ganged and have a loopthru option -- that wouldn't be a problem). BUT, ganging presents its own set of very audible artifacts -- namely, you don;t necessarily want ALL the channels to duck just because one has reached the threshold. That is a bad thing even in a two channel stereo system; I contend it could REALLY sound disturbing in a 6 channel system -- get a loud explosion in the left channel and the rest of the fronts channel and the surrounds drop 10 dB. for a second. That kind of pumping will be quite noticeable. To avoid this, using multiple stereo units would have the advantage that you could gang whichever channels you choose -- for example, the system could be configured so that this kind of "everybody duck" artifact is minimized -- if one stereo unit is set up to limit L&R independent of the other channels and another for the Surrounds and a third for the center channel and subs (this one can be decoupled so that the stereo channels are running independently), you would get better sonic results. I don't imagine the Smart unit will be that flexible. I use a Valley People compressor, limiter and expander unit in the booth, not to limit dynamic range, but it is set as an expander for mag prints on the surround channel to quiet any hiss and edge noise (caused by uneven mag stripes) when no sound is present -- it pretty much replaces the old relay that originally would turn the surrounds on when the 12k trigger tone was present. The VP is set as a gentle expander and it is much more effective. The same unit can be set as a compressor or a limiter, whatever the user needs. I don't know the cost of the Smart unit (as described, it is really being used as a hard threshold limiter rather than a compressor), but buying the three studio type compressor/limiterss would probably cost the same or more than the Smart unit, although more than likely they will would give you a lot more control. You can fine tune the threshold level, the compression ratio above threshold, the attach and release times, etc. Problem is, unless you are pretty much the only one in the booth who is allowed to touch anything, this kind of unit in your audio chain could REALLY mess stuff up if some dumbass decided to "adjust" it. The Smart, I imagine, is a simpler IN or Out affair with minimum controls exposed to booth monkeys.
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Greg Mueller
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1687
From: Port Gamble, WA
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 06-21-2002 09:19 AM
"The inability to hear dialog because the overall level had to be turned down was not acceptable."Exactly my problem. The incredible amount of dynamic range offered by DTS, Dolby Digital, even SR are wonderful. But if I get the subtle whispers audible, then when a crescendo in the music takes place, (or that type of enunciation) its actually painful, the spl is so great. So I figure just a smidge of compression would allow me to bring up the whispers and bring down the explosions and be able to hear the intent of the mixer, without my ears bleeding. Maybe I can get the dial up to 7 and be able to enjoy the artistic intent of the soundtrack! Thanks for explaining your gizmo Oscar, I think I'm gonna try one. I'll let y'all know how it works out ------------------ Greg Mueller Amateur Astronomer, Machinist, Filmnut http://www.muellersatomics.com/
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Oscar Neundorfer
Master Film Handler

Posts: 275
From: Senoia, GA
Registered: May 2000
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posted 06-21-2002 10:14 AM
Frank wrote:"BUT, ganging presents its own set of very audible artifacts -- namely, you don;t necessarily want ALL the channels to duck just because one has reached the threshold. That is a bad thing even in a two channel stereo system; I contend it could REALLY sound disturbing in a 6 channel system -- get a loud explosion in the left channel and the rest of the fronts channel and the surrounds drop 10 dB. for a second. That kind of pumping will be quite noticeable." Frank, I am no expert on all the different types of compressors/limiters out there, and I know there are many. Our unit does not work exactly like you are describing. The control path is what I would term a feedforward design. The control signal is NOT being derived from the output and fed back. The control is being derived from the input signal. Therefore, there is no sudden 10 db drop as you mentioned in your example. There is really not any audible pumping at all. What happens is that as any channel or combination of channels increases above the threshold level, the level at the outputs simply does not rise at the same rate as the input level. There is no ducking involved (assuming I am thinking of ducking as you are), just a lesser increase in level as compared to the input. I am not sure I am adequately explaining the action, but having heard compressors that do as you describe, I can assure you that this unit does not have the problem you have mentioned.
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Evans A Criswell
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1579
From: Huntsville, AL, USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 06-21-2002 10:21 AM
I don't like the idea of dynamic range compression of audio, but I've learned the hard way that sometimes it is necessary and, in some environments, can improve the listenability of audio.Case 1: Listening to music in an automobile: When I first tried listening to a CD player or tapes that I'd made on a high-end tape deck through my car's audio system, I found that quiet sections were inaudible if the louder portions were played at a reasonable volume. I found that when I heard these same songs on the car's FM radio, this problem did not occur. Case 2: Listening to music in my office at low volume: The same thing occurs. Quiet portions of songs get lost with only the loud portions audible. Case 3: Playing movies with large dynamic range for people like my parents: If I set the volume so that dialogue is clear and understandable, the special effects and music bother them and my mother will ask "Can you run it down?" Then guess what, when the effects or music is over, they can't hear the dialogue. I have to constantly adjust the volume up and down during the entire movie. Dynamic range compression can be very useful in situations like the above, so I can see that it would be very useful in theatres in cases where there was a lot of ambient noise or when a theatre is crowded with more than average noise from customers. ------------------ Evans A Criswell Huntsville-Decatur Movie Theatre Information Site
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