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Luciano Brigite
Master Film Handler

Posts: 277
From: Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil
Registered: Jan 2002

posted 06-23-2002 12:19 AM

I'm using Singer Oil for industrial sewing machine in both of my GK12
it's marked as ISO-VG10 oil and it seems to be ok. the only complaint is that both of them will pee it out if tilted just a little bit .
Not sure if it's the right oil for it but they're running nice and quiet, except for one that's noisy like a bulldozer :P

one of them was already noisy, the other in the pair runs with minimal noise.. see my post about the GK12 for more info if interested

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Paul G. Thompson
The Weenie Man

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From: Mount Vernon WA USA
Registered: Nov 2000

posted 06-23-2002 12:37 AM

What is the ISO standard on Lavezzi oil, anyway? I wonder who makes it for them?

Mobil orginally made the oil for Brenkert, and Chevron Hydraulic Oil AW ISO 10 is a direct replacement for it. And, this Chevron oil is the suggested replacement for Amoco Spindle Oil "A".

Military 1010 Turbine Oil used in jet aircraft engines also comes to mind. I think it is a synthetic oil, but I never ran it in a projector. When the can is shaken, it sounds like a can of ISO 15.

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John Westlund
Expert Film Handler

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From: Burney, CA, USA
Registered: Jun 2001

posted 06-23-2002 02:39 AM

We just got some Lavezzi oil for our SA. Only ran it one show so we will see how it turns out.

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Matt Close
Expert Film Handler

Posts: 226
From: Hervey Bay, QLD, Australia
Registered: Sep 2001

posted 06-23-2002 04:35 AM

Steve, I'm curious .... You talk about Lavezzi oil doing wonders for a noisy movement. I run Monee auto-turrets (the Century knock-off) , and the movements are all a little noisy ... and leaky .... Would the Lavezzi oil improve this, or do I just have to live with the 'craftsmenship'

that is Monee.

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Gordon McLeod
Film God

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From: Toronto Ontario Canada
Registered: Jun 99

posted 06-23-2002 09:50 AM

Usually when the Monee movements are noisy it is a case of adjustment of the star cam clearance is required
As for leaking the oil being used may be a bit light

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Manny Knowles
"What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???"

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From: Bloomington, IN, USA
Registered: Feb 2002

posted 06-23-2002 11:11 AM

Could somebody elaborate on the differences between a Century, a Monee and a Westar ?

I thought the parts were interchangeable.

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Gordon McLeod
Film God

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From: Toronto Ontario Canada
Registered: Jun 99

posted 06-23-2002 12:19 PM

This has been discussed before but here it is again
In the beginning the century projector corp invented the century C projector but they had no soundhead for it to package
They licensed from Western Electric the use of the dynamic stabaliser (R2 soundhead) and the common Davis Tight Loop stabliser.
In the deal Western Electric got the rights to the Century projector design outside of USA.
Western Electric Export Division was called Westrex
They started I beleive in building a cloned machine in the UK called the Westar. It had several differences one being the pitch of the gears was sligltly different (apparently to make it smoother running on 50 Hz mains) and the upper and lower sprocket were on assemblies (like the simplex XL) that could be removed.
This machines was produced localy in many country Westrex was in such as Italy, India, and others. In Canada Western Electric was callled Northern Electric and made only the soundhead and imported the C from the US
When Westrex was brocken up the projector divisions were sold off.
Westrex UK continued to develop and manufacture creating newer machines such as the Westrex5000 35/70 machine The Westrex7000 the first all belt driven machine and the first use of a double sided timing belt (they got several patents for its design) and the Westrex Tower.
Quad8 in Italy took over Westrex there and in LA for the line of sound recorders(cameras and dubbers)
In India they became Cinecitta which split up into Monee and Cinecitta

There was also a Mexican and a south american machine as well

Each country developed modifications to the design to suite there manufacturing conditions and market needs.

The Quad8 portion was sold off to a for the line of POS printers they had and has basically disappeared with the sale of the electronic machine to CinemaProducts and then Christie (epic projector)

THe Uk portion was bought out by Steven Kramms of ICECO in Miami and kept going for several years before being relocated to the US
Most of the current Westars are hybrids of parts from the Indian machines and is available in both the Westrex and the century gear pitchs

But not all parts are interchangeable
All the versions though tend to be robust and if cared for and operated and installed as the manufacturer intended give good service

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Paul G. Thompson
The Weenie Man

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From: Mount Vernon WA USA
Registered: Nov 2000

posted 06-23-2002 01:40 PM

(Donning my flame proof suit and blast deflectors)

Poop on this. POOP POOP POOP POOP!

Damn! Just give me a high quality precision machine oil of the proper manufacturer's recommended viscosity, and I'll use it if that is all I have. I don't care if it looks like owl piss or monkey piss. For years Motiograph was packing their movements with grease. For years, I ran WF-32 in in Simplex's, and Centurys (including their knock-off's) as well as and PRO-35's. I have used aircraft hydraulic fluid in Brenkerts. In all these 35 years, I have not lost an intermittant movement due to lack of lubrication! The only thing I really concern myself with is that it lubricates properly, and it does not attack seals, and the oils can "get along" with each other. Some of those old machines are so loose you could almost get away with using STP!

Some say you can't use JP-5 in Diesel engines. Hell, the US Navy has been burning that shit for years in their GSE Diesels! Works great! There are morons that tell me I can't burn green color Diesel fuel in engines designed for off-road use! POPPYCOCK! Also, railroad locomotives burn the cheapest shit they can find in both their GE and EMD locomotives!

POOP POOP POOP POOP!

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Gordon McLeod
Film God

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From: Toronto Ontario Canada
Registered: Jun 99

posted 06-23-2002 01:46 PM

Paul said"For years Motiograph was packing their movements with grease. For years"
SAE90 gear oil is considered a fluid grease and was used from day one on the AA machines (I still have an original tube of it)

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Paul G. Thompson
The Weenie Man

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From: Mount Vernon WA USA
Registered: Nov 2000

posted 06-23-2002 01:50 PM

Yeah, Gordon....it came in a tube. Squeeze it in there until it comes out of the other hole just like a turd, with an occasional fart. It was runny and chunky, all at the same time.

Same shit - different shovel.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
Resident Trollmaster

Posts: 16657
From: Music City
Registered: Jun 99

posted 06-23-2002 03:36 PM

Gord said,
"I have some very strong opinions on the matter of oils and they're based on the original manuals"

Well if you like living back in the 30's, 40's, and 50's when those manuals were written, thats fine. This is 2002, and frankly, the Space Shuttle wouldn't make it to 10,000 feet altitude with oil from that era! With turbopumps spinning at over 30,000 rpm the bearings would disentegrate quickly. There are alot of new and far better lubes developed over the years, partly due to space technology spin offs. Its time you got with it and put your customers on the better and wiser path as well!! You can also make some better profits at the same time.....
Mark @ GTS

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Gordon McLeod
Film God

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From: Toronto Ontario Canada
Registered: Jun 99

posted 06-23-2002 03:57 PM

Yes mark but projectors havenot really changed nor has the method of construction.
I have not been happy with the perfomance of any machine that has had the LaVezzi oil in it. They tend to leak more and be a bit noisier.
Also I had a FP20 sieze up about a day after it was switched to it.
Stick with what works

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Mark Gulbrandsen
Resident Trollmaster

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From: Music City
Registered: Jun 99

posted 06-26-2002 06:25 PM

Actually Gord,
Materials have changed alot as far as what modern shafts and gears, cams and stars are manufactued from these days. LaVezzi oil is not the only choice out there for synthetics. You need to attend Synthetic Lube 101 and get your customers on the right track.
Mark @ GTS

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Mitchell Dvoskin
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1869
From: West Milford, NJ, USA
Registered: Jan 2001

posted 06-28-2002 07:57 AM

Speaking of FP20's, grade of oil is Kinoton intermittent oil?

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