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John Pytlak
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Frank Angel said: "Try running a Dusk-to-Dawn in a change-over booth in a Drive-in."

Been there, done that. Those were the days!

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Manny Knowles
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When I put two films on the same platter, I don't bother splicing them together. I just let the first film tail out and then re-thread the second one. That way there is no chance that the film will just keep on going.

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Mike Jones
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dude, steal a table from downstairs or something. i'm sure you've got a folding table around there somewhere. throw the 3rd print on that bad boy and you're ready to go.

we've got a nice long folding table we use to hold prints on thursday nights.

simplest is usually the best solution

mike


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John Wilson
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This is a regular thing here too, especially in the school holidays as it is now. The smaller screens run the adullt shows in the day and then get the kids shows at night. Lots of print movement as houses range from 62 seats to 870 seats.

One screen this week is running 6 sessions per day with only one print running twice. Everything else comes in...slides on...runs...slides off and moves on to the next screen.

I've even had to do this with 70mm. In one week we ran Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, Untouchables, Baraka, Lawrence Of Arabia and print checks of Aliens all in 70mm. When I asked the GM just how this was supposed to happen with only a four tier platter without having to break them all down after screening (only to have to build them again for another screening...a VERY lengthy process on a speco) he laughed 'You'll work it out') Nice, eh?

Well, I did. I had a friend design and make a very sturdy adjustable centre ring and we simply (!) moved the prints off the plates and hung them on strong hooks on the wall of the booth. I made sure my friend knew he could charge what he wanted for this job as it was needed like...yesterday. So he did...

The GM's laughter ceased when I told him I'd 'worked it out' and handed him the bill. :grin:

...ahhh, it's the simple things...

I also recall having the booth of the drive-in with the Dusk To Dawn trunks all around the walls. Yes John...those indeed were the days.

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Wes Hughes
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I have had three prints on one deck before with no problems.

Don't splice the films together when you "piggy-back"...just tuck the leader of the second feature a few feet into the tail of the first feature and it will work fine. Done it tons with microswitched strongs and a few times with very old christies (the ones with formica decks).

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Joe Redifer
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Ken, if you have optical failsafes then you would just not splice the prints together like has been previously suggested. But if you are the epitome of laziness like Ian is, then you will splice some invisible film or something else creative to stop your projector so that you don't have to thread it for the next show. Also, get some ORC 54 inch platters. They can hold "up to 5 hours of film". ORC's rock. They are built on the exact same philosophy and technology (vacuum cleaner parts and other miscellaneous stuff) as Strong platters. And as everyone on the forum agrees, Strong platters are perfect, so ORC's must be as well. Except they hold "5 hours worth of film"! So they must be even better!

And for those who think running nonstop changeovers is tough: Try sitting on your ass with nothing to do for three hours while you wait for the movie to finish! Aaaaaahh!!!!!! At least you keep busy.


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Brad Miller
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So Joe, how many times does a platter spin in the course of three hours?

I've only had to do a triple-up a few times and the schedule has always worked itself out where I could double up one deck with two movies, so it's never been a problem. If it's something easy like:

12:00 Movie A
2:30 Movie B
5:00 Movie C
7:30 Movie B
10:00 Movie C

and the intermission time between the 2:30 to 5:00 and the 7:30 to the 10:00 is the same, I will splice the two together with a programmed intermission. That way the movie can start at 2:30 and then nothing else must be done until it is time to start the 7:30 show (except for checking on it occasionally to verify everything is perfect, which of course it always is ).

If the showtimes do not work out nicely like that, then I do the "tuck the head into the last wrap of film from the first movie" trick like Wes mentioned. I've ran two long movies on one deck to right at an inch from the edge of the deck on AW3s and just tucked the tail like normal and never had a problem.

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Charles Everett
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Mr. Redifer need not worry. The triple-up described in the starter post is for this week only.

BTW, Reading isn't the only one in Northern New Jersey doing a triple-up this weekend. Based on newspaper listings I found triple-ups in a dozen other smaller theaters and 1 megaplex.


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Jeffry L. Johnson
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How about a 10+ day film festival? 2 screens, 5 different shows per day on each screen. All in a 9 x 19 foot booth using one Potts 5-stack with nonremovable control plates. Print management became very creative.

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Gracia L. Babbidge
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Cripes. This year, I've had more weeks where I've had to deal with triple-ups than weeks that I've not!

Any way you look at it, triple-ups are very impractical for a projectionist.

One thing I've done occasionally this year has been literally stacking prints to play them. In fact, just over twelve hours ago, I was running the Powerpuff Girls Movie, whilst it was sitting on top of a print of Windtalkers (and Scooby Doo sat on the third platter deck).
Risky? Hell yes.
It does however reduce the number of times prints have to be clamped and moved.

Oh, and don't even think of trying that if your booth has anything other than christie platters.

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Leo Enticknap
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The one thing Darren forgot to mention about his workplace is that the three screens are split across three levels of the building, with screen 3 being 100 yards down a (public) corridor and then up a twisty staircase with two 90-degree turns in it. That staircase is too narrow to carry a film up horizontally, and 6,000 foot spools are not an option since there is not enough floor space to put an MUT in that box.

After heaving Magnolia up there (on a large MDF board held by two people at a 50-60 degree angle while we manoeuvred it up the stairs and round the corners) I had a back ache for about a week... until it was time to move it back to projection 2 to pack off, which gave me a back ache for a second week!

Both myself and the other projectionist involved in that procedure have since left: can't think why! At least they didn't programme Bollywood features in there...


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Carl King
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right on, Frank. Been there , done that.

It'been a few years but I sure remember pulling all nighters in
drive-ins.

Back to the original question....playing three or four prints in the same house is nothing new for multiplexes. Just store the unused prints nearby on an empty platter or if you have to..on the floor..but make sure to have something between the floor and the print and cover the print.

note well. get help lifting prints off the floor or that's where they will end up.

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