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Richard Fowler
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 - posted 07-24-2002 11:26 PM      Profile for Richard Fowler   Email Richard Fowler   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Yes they are a pretty blue......Sankor also has blue lenses and green ones two If you do not require integrated it is better to go with conventional since there us usually more metal to obtain better seating in a turret. The ISCO integrated tend to be that....one lens unit, while the Schneider integrated tends to be adapter and prime with proper conversion ring which allows them to be taken apart if you desire to make a change on focal length on the prime....which for a dealer can be convenient due to shipping charges and stocking. whatever you pick will be a tremendous improvement of what you see now. Say hello to John Burgholzer........
Richard Fowler
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Steve Kraus
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Blue...


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Manny Knowles
"What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???"

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Okay, time for a followup...

This location will be moving in less than 2 years, so I decided to go with a complete set of ISCO Ultra MC and ISCO Ultra Anamorphic lenses.

The flat lenses will be new.
The scope lenses and anamorphic adapters will be used.

Any word on how happy I can expect to be with these? Never mind that they are used. Assume that they were well taken care of. Does this line have a good reputation?
Thanks for your help.

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John Walsh
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Manny; I notice you said: " ... 85mm and 90mm for the scope backup lenses."
I assume the 85mm is for flat. That doesn't seem like the right size lenses for flat/scope with either top or side masking.

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Manny Knowles
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85mm and 95mm are both for scope backup lenses.

The corresponding flat lenses are in the 50mm range.

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John Walsh
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Ahh... never mind..

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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I agree with Steve. If ya have the budget get the blue ISCO's. The absolute best exactly as Steve says. I've use a number of these lenses, once in a Location dailies situation and the difference was stunning. The Schneiders have gotten alot better though and they are usually my mainstream anamorphic.
Mark


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Manny Knowles
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Wow!

I found one "spare" anamorphic adapter lying around and it was an Isco (gold). It made a big difference on this projector I just re-did. To satisfy my curiosity, I switched the backup lens (it was fried) with a somewhat spiffier one from the other projector I'm about to start working on and the overall difference is like night and day.

We also did some work on aligning the lamp house, but there was only so much we could do. It's an ORC vertical 1600W model and the bulb adjustments don't really help all that much. But moving the entire reflector around helped some.

Also, the dichroic mirror may need some attention because it turns out that the cooling fan was removed. God only knows how long that mirror has been without that fan and what the damage might be.

I can't wait for my new Isco's to arrive.


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Matt Close
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The blue scope Isco lens ..... how wide are they at the front, and how far do they protrude from the turret?

I currently have Kowa scope lenses that cast shadows on the flat picture
They are approx 11cm wide across the front and extend approx 15cm from their mount in the turret..... Oh, did I mention how much they SUCK! I'd love to replace them ... Is the Isco smaller?

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Manny Knowles
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Matt:

Steve Guttag would probably then suggest you go with an integrated since that's what they're made for. I always wondered about that.

~Manny.

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Richard Fowler
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The ISCO blue and Schneider ES are smaller than the KOWA since they where designed for turrets having a short focal length widescreen lens in the same turret.
Richard Fowler
TVP-Theatre & Video Products Inc. www.tvpmiami.com

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Matt Close
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So ..... do I assume the ISCO BLUe would NOT cast shadow on my flat picture?
We use the Monee auto-turret (Century knock-off) projectors, and use a 60mm lens for flat aspect. The 60mm fills top to bottom just nicely.

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Aaron Sisemore
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Any anamorphic with less than 5" diameter shouldn't cast a shadow on the flat picture if mounted in a standard turret.

It is usually the 'big' (around 5" diameter at the widest) older Isco-Gottingen and Japanese anamorphics that cause this problem. The later model Isco Ultra*Star and Schneider full-size anamorphics do not usually cause this problem, and the Isco Blue*Star (and other compact/integrated anamorphics) absolutely will not.

The Isco Blue*Star (and almost all other 'compact' and 'integrated' anamorphics) are approximately 80mm in diameter at the widest, and the distance the lens protrudes from the turret mount will vary depending on the turret design and the focal length of the lens.

-Aaron


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Matt Close
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Well , 80mm sounds a lot better 110mm !! I can't see that casting shadows..... Wonder if I can talk the boss in to them.

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Steve Guttag
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Actually, Steve Guttag always recommends using the ISCO Blue-Star for anamorphic lenses whenever they will physically fit/work. They are THAT much better than the others.

If you are forced to use integrated amamorphics, then use them but they are inferior. Schneider's are more flexibile since they allow you to change the prime lens just like the full size anamorphics. With ISCO you have the Ultra-Star Plus which are quite light efficient. In general, the ISCO anamorphic will out class the Schneider anamorphic though, as Mark G says, the Schneiders have gotten better (at focus) they still magnify the image willy nilly (mostly too wide).

If you can get the Blue-Stars...get em! You won't regret it.

Steve

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