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Manny Knowles
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I'd like to see a pic of that camera with its magazine in place. As Randy pointed out, such a high-speed camera would consume a standard 400' or 1000' roll of film in no time.

By comparison, the house implosion at the end of "Poltergeist" was shot at 300fps.

I read somewhere that Dolby's "Rain" trailer is composed of actual slo-mo shots of water droplets colliding. I wonder what the frame rate was for that.

~Manny (better for you.)


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Matthew Bailey
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I'm thinking about a camera that uses 8 mm. film or wider that would film Lego houses & buildings at 1,440 frames per second being blown apart with firecrackers. Would you be able to see any Lego parts & bricks flying in perfect focus with no blurring when projected at 24 frames per second?

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John Pytlak
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Filming at 1440 fps and projecting the results at 24 fps would slow the action down by a factor of 60.

One of the pioneers of instrumentation photography was Harold "Doc" Edgerton of MIT, who literally invented the strobe:
http://web.mit.edu/edgerton/main.html
http://mitpress.mit.edu/bookstore/authors/edgerton.html

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Randy Stankey
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A camera running at 12,000 fps would consume a 2,000 foot reel of film in 4 seconds. It would take 22 minutes to play back... A time expansion factor of 333 times.

This doesn't account for "wastage" involved in "running up" the camera and the film that gets destroyed at the end when the camera "tails-out". If you figure 25% waste (a wild guess) that would leave only 3 seconds of usable film. How do they really account for this? Do they splice in a length of "trash leader" at the beginning and end of the reel? OR do they just go with the waste factor in the camera and deal with it later?

I would imagine that if somebody wanted to film, say, an explosion and then play it back in somewhat of a normal pace they would have to do some sort of skip-frame editing/printing in order to "recompress" the film speed back to some semblance of normal speed.

Either that or the film would have to be played back at a different speed, based on the time expansion factor that you wanted to portray. What projector can run that fast? I know that projectors in studios and editing facilities can play back at fractional/multiple speeds but a expansion factor of 100 times would be BRUITAL... Let alone 300!

That shit is CRAZY FAST!

No??


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