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Jon Bartow
Master Film Handler

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From: Massachusetts
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 - posted 08-25-2002 10:05 PM      Profile for Jon Bartow   Email Jon Bartow   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The R-2 is by far the best for "eq-ing" a theater (or any auditorium) however, the set-up/tear-down time can be a bit prohibitive. (it takes a while to unpack, set up four mic stands, four mics, the 'plexer, the main cable, the main control box, connect and boot up the old laptop, put signs on the doors to keep out nosey ushers and then to pack it up again)
For "A-chains" however it is too bulky (it's a big heavy case) and time consuming (I have an old laptop that takes a while booting up) unless you are doing an entire system (a and b chanins)
Oh, and if price is a concern for anyone looking for a RTA, don't bother with the R-2, it has a big price tag.


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Richard Fowler
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 - posted 08-25-2002 10:29 PM      Profile for Richard Fowler   Email Richard Fowler   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
On the Ultra Stereo MMP unit the mikes are Countryman omni units specified by USL. The normal Countryman mike is directional and has a rising peak in the mid range frequecy to overcome placement on a person's body....not good for EQ use. The MMP should be recalibrated at least on a yearly basis or if a mike is changed. the mikes are numbered to match the input they are to be plugged in.
Richard Fowler
TVP-Theatre & Video Products Inc. www.tvpmiami.com

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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My main complaint was that the gains on the USL unit were not automatically leveled. This makes the display bounce around a bit when switching from mic to mic. For what is is its ok as it does at least utilize 4 mics. I would have like to see USL go a few steps farther though and at least included automatic gain adjust in the thing. As loong as you use it with an analyzer that can attain true averaging(such as the Ivie PC40) of the incomming readings you will get ok results.
Mark

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Aaron Sisemore
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Another good software RTA (the one I use) is Spectra Plus:
http://www.spectraplus.com .

-Aaron

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Gordon McLeod
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The Goldline DSP30 will allow user defined averageing
If one wants take a calibrated SPL meter to each mic position and adjust the gain on the trim pot inside the MUX

Also the PC RTA is very good

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William Hooper
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 - posted 09-16-2002 01:23 AM      Profile for William Hooper   Author's Homepage   Email William Hooper   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
BSW retails the Goldline DSP30 at $1,380

http://www.bswonline.com/public/prod_item.asp?item=DSP30

Does anyone have any experience or knowledge of the DOD rackmount RTA?
Here's a typical retailer's listing for one

http://www.ambientsound.com/dod_sr_rta_series_2_analyzer_and_room_delay.htm

http://www.magdonmusic.com/pa/dod/realtimeanalyzer.htm
31 bands, $319!

That would be great for the theater with the Perspecta unit & really any PAC with per-show setups when running film. Everytime there's a new setup, processor change, or whatever, the RTA could be checked in the booth. The mic could be left in some position in the house that's effective & unnoticed.



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Jean-Michel Grin
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Did someone a tip to make a RS-232 extension cable between the R2 and the PC used for setup.
I've tried very long cables for serial port, but nothin will work if the distance is more than 9 meters (aprox. 27 feets)
I'm searching for a RS-232 line converter / amplifier suitable with those equipements.

Any help will welcome.

Sorry for my weak English !

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Jean-Michel Grin - Europlex Cinemas (Switzerland)

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Kris Brunton
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I have an R2 that I wouldn't be with out. The only disadvantages that I would complain about are it's size and the set up time. Besides that I am extremly happy with it.

We also have a couple of Abacus Arta 80's that are very good as well. I like the fact that it has a battery (which makes a-chaining a complex a breeze) and that it is small. We use the USL multiplexer's with these for B-chaining.

I heard a rumor once that THX was working on another analyser to replace the R2. Anyone else hear anything?


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Chris Markiewicz
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The DOD is OK for the price. I use it for A-chain (ours has a line-level input as well) and for ringing out the auditorium for live stage shows.

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Manny Knowles
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[Edited: Post moved to new topic "Multiplexer -- Ultra Stereo Labs MMP-10"]


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Antonio Marcheselli
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 - posted 09-29-2002 02:34 PM      Profile for Antonio Marcheselli   Author's Homepage   Email Antonio Marcheselli   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi,

I saw recently a tech equalizing a theater with an ARTA 80 RTA.
Don't you think that the ARTA is a bit... approximative as an RTA? 1dB approximation on the analyzer, the SPL has 1dB approx too...
This tech used the ARTA with just one mike in the auditorium. I saw also the R2 with 4 mikes, I can't believe that the same result can be obtained with an ARTA80 with one mike.

What do you think about?

Bye
Antonio

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Gordon McLeod
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The Arta80 is an excellent and accurate RTA but best results are to be obatined with a Multiplexer and 4 mics

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Manny Knowles
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 - posted 09-29-2002 04:40 PM      Profile for Manny Knowles   Email Manny Knowles   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I have a brand-new AudioControl Industrial 3051 RTA and -- now that I've used it -- I have to say that I prefer the Ivie IE-30.

First of all, the Ivie unit is tiny and sturdy. It will display SPL and the RTA without having to "toggle" the display. On the Ivie, the A-C weighting is built-in; the AudioControl RTA needs a separate attachment.

The size of the AudioControl unit makes it difficult to set it down (securely) at eye level. It's so big...it wants to be on the floor or on a tabletop. After too much squinting and squatting, I finally resorted to saying a few "Hail Mary's" and just "hoping" that it would stay put atop the rack.

The LED's bounce around too much. I was damn-near thrown into an epileptic seizure by the display. "Fast" is waaay too fast and "Slow" is reeeeallly sloooow. "Medium" is almost okay, but I had to go so far as to switch all the way out to 4dB per step to slow it down a little.

I'm also not getting good results with the SPL meter in the AudioControl unit. After making the necessary adjustment to my Ultra-Stereo multiplexer in one auditorium, I got wildly differing results in the cinema next door. Screen channels were suddenly around 10dB too loud and surrounds were about 10dB too quiet. As a result of these bad experiences, I do not trust the AudioControl product.

Maybe those problems will go away when I get the optional A-C weighting filter but -- at this stage -- I'm ready to get rid of the thing and go for an Ivie. I don't know why they failed to include weighting filters in the 3051. It's really an unforgiveable omission, IMHO.

The Ivie IE-30 is also battery operated (or you can use an AC attachment). AudioControl sells a model 3052 which is battery operated (and also offers printouts). The instruction manual for the 3051 seems to be the same for the 3052, so I'm guessing that they are very similar in all other respects.

~Manny.


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Jamie Sanson
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--------Did someone a tip to make a RS-232 extension cable between the R2 and the PC used for setup.
I've tried very long cables for serial port, but nothin will work if the distance is more than 9 meters (aprox. 27 feets)--------

Hi Jean Michel
Flat ribbon cable work well over long distance for
RS232 serial data.

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Pete Naples
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 - posted 09-30-2002 09:43 AM      Profile for Pete Naples   Email Pete Naples   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
In fact, one can achieve stunning results with the ARTA 80 and one microphone. The ARTA 80 has a DIP switch selectable mode, in which it will take 4 snaphots and average them. You move the mic to 4 locations and Robert is you mothers brother! Yes it's time consuming, yes it's a pain in the ass, and yes a multiplexer and multiple mics is a much easier, faster method. However if you've only got the ARTA and it's supplied microphone....... One could argue that this is a more accurate method as you are using one microphone, there is no tolerance between mics to take account of.

Re: ARTA accuracy. Whilst the on board LED display only (only??!) resolves to 1dB, if you hook it up to your laptop and run the supplied software you can have much finer scales.


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