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Paul G. Thompson
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 - posted 09-06-2002 10:38 AM      Profile for Paul G. Thompson   Email Paul G. Thompson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Sam, unlike the reel-to-reel systems, the film pull by itself cannot start the pay-out platter rotating. There is nothing securing the film to the platter once the center ring is pulled.

On the other hand, the IWERKS and IMAX platters are just the opposite. IMAX and IWERKS pull from the edge of the platter, and taken up on the center. However, there is a center ring in place even on the feed platter. Those platters can be looked at as a horizontally mounted reel-to-reel system. Even so, there is undoubtedly some kind of motor assist on feed-out because of the tremendous weight of the print. At the end of the presentation, 70mm IMAX and IWERKS must be rewound.

You can't really look at a conventional 35mm platter as a reel-to-reel system because the center ring is removed on feed-out. The 35mm system is said to be automatically rewinding as the movie runs. At the end of the show, just remove the center ring, re-thread, and start the next show.


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Scott Norwood
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Sam -- the takeup end of a platter system is a bit different than a reel-to-reel system in that the film passes over a tension arm on its way to the takeup deck. This arm regulates the speed of the takeup motor, thus assuring constant takeup tension throughout the length of the film.

With most reel-to-reel systems, the takeup reel is connected to the soundhead by means of a belt which drives the takeup clutch on the lower reel arm. Tension is adjustable, but does not remain constant throughout the entire reel. Some machines (e.g. the electronic Kinoton models) do have motor-driven takeup and provide constant takeup tension, but that is the exception rather than the norm.

Paul: the newer IMAX setups use platters very similar in concept to conventional 35mm setups and films do not need to be rewound. The 2-strip 3D setups, in particular, are quite impressive to watch when running.

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Paul G. Thompson
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Scott, cool! Thanks for the information.

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Gordon McLeod
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Originally the IMAX theatres used hte MK1 reel unit (pictures of it under ontario place)
It consists of 4 reels 2 feed out and 2 takeup (they are reels with no top side hence reffered to as platters) they are 48" diameter
THe upper two are for one title (feed and take up) and the lower one is the second film feed and take up
feed is on the right and take up is on the left the same direction that the film travels through the head (same as VistaVision)
SO as one is showing the other can be rewinding
The feed and take up sides are servo controlled so the projector doesn't pull the film off it put is pushed off.
Think of it as a Eprad Double Mut on its side

Then there is the MK2 reel unit that placed the 4 disks one above the other on two different angles to the post (looks more like a platter) and again it rewinds and uses a servo control
(Pictures of the MK2 under Ontario Science Centre)

Finaly there is the QT which stands for Quick Turnaround unit.
It is a beefed up custom platter from Kinoton and operates like a conventional platter and is available in a 5 deck and 3 deck version with up to a 7' disk

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Dave Macaulay
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Are these platters level? I've seen similar trouble with the phase control models when on a rather slight tilt. The weight of the dancer arm vs that puny spring means they are very sensitive to gravity.

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Joe Redifer
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Yup, they are level. I made sure of that. But it no longer matters as the problem has been solved. Keep watching the pages of Film-Tech for step by step instructions!

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Rick Long
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We are watching!

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Paul G. Thompson
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Darn Tootin', Joe. We will be looking for the cure. Hope you post it soon.

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