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Rick Long
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Actually this theatre does have an alarm system, using motion detection in the lobby area, turned on during off-hours.

This auditorium, like most, has an exit door which leads to a common (for all auditoriums on that side of the building) hallway, which leads to an outside exit door.

It is even possible that these speakers were removed, one or two at a time, over a period of weeks, during operating hours.

On a matinee when attendance was poor, the theif could wait until the credits start to roll. As the last of the customers leave the auditorium, the theif could then slip behind the skirt at the bottom of the screen and up the ladder. As the ushers would not be very long in cleaning up the auditorim, they would have several minutes before a new audience began filing in. Exiting by the rear exit, they would not be seen by the staff, with a speaker obtained for the price of an admission ticket.

Manny, interesting thought about "Need for the stolen property".


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Daryl C. W. O'Shea
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 - posted 09-14-2002 09:49 PM      Profile for Daryl C. W. O'Shea   Author's Homepage   Email Daryl C. W. O'Shea   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Has anyone ever tried installing a tightly pulled (to eliminate rattle) chain link fence behind the skirting to keep people from gaining access to the rear of the screen?

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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A theatre in Elgin, Illinois that I installed years ago had a theft problem with speakers. On both occasions it was an Usher(different one each time) that was the theif and he showed up to work with a new set of speakers in his car!! Arrests were made in both cases.
Mark @ Claco

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Scott Manley
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In one of the theaters I service....we had one where they ripped the front of the cabinet to get the speaker out. I have discussed this with a few people and we all seem to think that security screws would just guarantee not being able to re-use the cabinet.
I would think some kind of alarm would be better.

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John Walsh
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The problem with an alarm is the wire can be cut. Even if it's a "loop", theifs will quickly discover to short the wires first. After all, if they are stealing a speaker, they probably know something about electricity. A multi-conductor cable could be used to try to fool' em, I guess. The wire could be run in greenfield/EMT, but someone could uncouple the connections. It also starts to get expensive. If the alarm was powered with batteries, they would run down after a while.

I can't see an easy solution to this, but for an existing theater I think the best cost vs. gain is security screws. For a new theater, placing all speakers up on platforms without access. I realize the output of subwoofers are reduced when placed up higher, but it's better than no output.

I think the big problem is a person usually can't be seen back there, (especally if there's a THX-like baffle wall) and they can take their time to defeat almost anything. They can work even while the theater is open, when building alarms are not on.

It's also tough to get money to prevent this. For some reason, accountants would rather spend $300, three-four times a year replacing speakers than spend $1200 once to solve the problem.

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Gordon McLeod
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I tend to put a couple of big screws (all with different heads) up throughthe base of the cabinet so they can't be turned around easily

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Rick Long
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Did that too, Gord, except where the speakers are on ledges. They still managed to get the cones out without moving the bass bin. Damn! wish they'd teach me how to do that!

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Rick Long
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Thinking into this a little further, the ladder might not be a bad idea after all. No, I am not thinking of wiring it up to an ignitor (although the temptation is there but small kids, bored with the movie, might wander into this area), but to simply isolate it from ground and, using a touch-sensitive system, have an alarm ring in the manager's office or at the guest services desk, indicating that someone was behind the screen. Who knows? we might catch the son/daughter of a bitch after all. After all, the speaker closest to the ladder would be the first one to get stolen, as was the case here.


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Mike Williams
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One of those wireless alarm systems available from Radio Shack might be a good solution (depending on the theater). You could mount motion detectors behind each screen and have them set off a zone alarm back at the base station whenever somebody even steps behind the screen. What is good about some of those systems, is you can set them up to dial out if the alarm goes off when you are not there.
It certainly may be a cheaper solution than installing an entire professional system (and you can do it your self without running wiring everywhere).

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Mike Williams
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Here is a link to the Radio Shack system I was referring to:
Link

If it does not work, look up wireless security systems on the Radio Shack website. http://www.radioshack.com

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Daryl C. W. O'Shea
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The problem with wireless motion sensors is that they only transmit ~100ft. In a ten screen theatre you probably wouldn't be able to have sensors in too many screens before losing the signal at the receiver. Mind you it may be possible to get decent reception from the middle of the booth.

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Andy Summers
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I think it’s a projectionist doing this speaker capper, are there any cinemas in the same road where this happened, by that I mean enemies and they just have a since of humour in nicking the screen stage bass drivers.

I have to admit dame funny, but silly too.

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Samuel Hynds
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This is why QSC Audio puts anti-theft screws on all our low frequency and subwoofer drivers. [Wink]

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