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Brad Miller
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 - posted 09-30-2002 04:57 AM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
I'm 99.999999% sure taping the intro to a RHPS show won't violate any copyright. Generally about the only thing they do that pertains specifically to the show is the opening line "welcome to the Rocky Horror Picture Show", then from there it's random things like popping virgin's cherries and such.

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David Rigby
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 - posted 09-30-2002 05:36 AM      Profile for David Rigby   Email David Rigby   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I wonder how many parents out there are now public enemy #1 for videotaping their kids' performances of a copyrighted play in a school production?!!


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Leo Enticknap
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 - posted 09-30-2002 05:43 AM      Profile for Leo Enticknap   Author's Homepage   Email Leo Enticknap   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Copyright issues can sometimes be terrifyingly complex. We once had an enquiry from a documentary producer who wanted to use some BBC footage (37 seconds in total) of a Middlesbrough v. Sunderland football match we hold. We found out that in order to clear it, permissions would be needed from the BBC, both football clubs, the FA, the agents of several players who appeared in the clip and possibly the Professional Footballers' Association as well! Needless to say, she quickly abandoned the idea.

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Manny Knowles
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 - posted 09-30-2002 08:32 AM      Profile for Manny Knowles   Email Manny Knowles   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
when Al Pacino wants to use clips, no one says boo.

What did he do?

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Dave Williams
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 - posted 09-30-2002 01:36 PM      Profile for Dave Williams   Author's Homepage   Email Dave Williams   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Anytime you want to video or still shoot or audio clip, and you intend to ever share it with anyone, just make damn sure to cya, cover your ass. With all the hullaballoo going on right now about copyrighted material, just about anything and anyone will be fair game in the years to come.

Dave

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Thomas Procyk
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 - posted 10-01-2002 12:24 PM      Profile for Thomas Procyk   Email Thomas Procyk   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
When we did a RHPS show at school, they had several people videotaping the performance without ever thinking twice. Sure, the sound was on the tape, and they caught a shot of the screen occasionally when panning, but anyone who gets up in arms over something like that needs to get a life.

Copyright laws are getting out of control these days. There's a fine line between trying to protect your intellectual property, and being a greedy miser with it. I find it very hard to understand that anyone taping the actors at a RHPS show is stealing anything, no matter how legally technical you want to be about it. I'm surprised people don't have to get some sort of 76-page written permission from FOX to even perform along with the RHPS movie. As for performing a copyrighted screenplay/script, the actors at the Rocky Horror shows are hardly, if ever, following any sort of script. For one, they are not reading any lines since all the sound is coming from the film. Most of the action is improvised based on the layout of the theater and props available, too.

If I videotape a Rocky Horror Picture Show cast and FOX wants to sue me for it, let them. They can have the damn tape to kick around the office and show to their higher-ups that their little movie is still drawing a crowd after 25-some years. As if anyone would even sit through it without the shennanegans and heckling.

They should really be going after people videotaping "The Transporter", not a bunch of kids having fun on a Saturday night with an old movie.

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Frank Angel
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 - posted 10-01-2002 11:07 PM      Profile for Frank Angel   Author's Homepage   Email Frank Angel   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Ah, Thomas....youth is a beautiful thing. It's so good to hear your call-it-like-it is exuberance. And so right you are. But this is capitalism, my boy -- EVERYONE who has the misfortune of growing up eventually become a greedy miser about this stuff!

When a kid is video taping the shenannigans at RHPS and the camera pans and catches the screen and records the music soundtrack, I would put this in the catagory of a statutory violation. Sure some MPAA lawyer with hair combed over his bald spot and bad breath could probably argue that it technically violates the copyright law and it's theft of intellectual property, but on the other side of that coin is -- hey, they have to catch you first, don't they!

I've actually invented a door frame that looks like a regular frame, but packed inside are powerful ceramic magnets. Most of the time they just promote good health as you walk back and forth through your door. However, when the FBI and the MPAA dogs come a-calling and want to see your tape collection, you just hand them the tapes and let them walk out with them in hand. Same goes for your computer hard drive.

"But Agent, Sir...I swear I have done nothing wrong, as those tapes will clearly show. Have a nice day, and watch your step as you leave."

It might also be a good idea to take the lead from the studios themselves....use decoy titles on all your tapes and film cans.

Yes, as you might have guessed from this post, at the moment I am suffereing from sleep deprevation.

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