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Frank Angel
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There's a company that makes "glo-in-the-dark" exit signs. They are to be used in areas that have constant lighting, like common hallways. They are nothing more than sheets of plastic the size of a standard exit sign but the plastic is impregnated with radium. The idea is, normally they are plainly visible, red letters on greenish white background. However, in an emergency, the background glows quite brightly for over an hour providing enough light to still see the sign and also to satisfy any codes regulating exit sign brightness. Obviously these would be useless in a theatre as they wouldn't be activated being in the dark for hours, but I bring it up because if these glo-signs provide adaquate visibility to meet NYC code, yet they are nowhere near as bright as powered exit signs. Clearly the powered lights are producing a lot more light than is necessary to meet code. Unless the code is illogical in that it accepts the low light level of the glo material, but if it is a powered sign, the levels have to be higher. Illogical codes are certainly possible; it's an interesting question though.


Frank

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John Pytlak
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If the signs need to be energized by exposure to light, and stop shining after a few hours, they are likely using phosphors and NOT a radioactive source.

Radioactive materials are no longer widely used for this purpose:
here Use of Radium

"When concentrated, radium glows in the dark. Because of this property, it was once mixed with a paste of zinc sulfide to make a self-luminescent paint for watch, clock, and instrument dials. During the 1930s it was found, however, that exposure to radium posed a serious hazard to health: a number of the workers who routinely used the radium-containing luminescent paint developed anemia and, in some cases, bone cancer. The practice of employing radium in luminescent coatings was halted after the high toxicity of the material was recognized."


here EPA Guidelines
here (Iranian Journal of Chemistry and Chemical Engineering)

Transport and disposal of radioactive materials is highly regulated:
here Customs Regulations for Belarus

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Frank Angel
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As usual, John, you are one amazing human encyclopedia. Thanks for the info -- I said radium just off the cuff; I have no idea what they actually put in that plastic to make it glow. I am happy it isn't radioactive material so I don't have to worry leaning against the exit signs.

Frank

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Steve Guttag
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I know of a theatre that DOES use radioactive Exit signs and run-way "lights". The they are Tritium. They also bear the radioactive sticker on them (the exit signs, at least). One thing is for sure...after 10 years...none have gone out!

Steve

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Jean-Michel Grin
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Hi Antonio,

In Geneva I have the same problem with the "exit" sign they are to close of the screen, butfor me, safety must be the rule in every closed area.
The system that we use is a little complicated but is work: The exit sign are low-illuminated by LED's in normal mode. In case of fire Alarm, the projector is stopped, of course, the celing light are connecd to the UPS or an additional low-voltage lighting system is connected to a 24 volts battery, and the main voltage to the exit sign is switched off. BUT every "Exit " signs is fitted with a internal rechargeable battery and an voltage inverter to feed a intenal fluorescent light to bright illumine the "exit" sign. Even incase of power failure in your theater, This give a sufficien light to evacuate peoples..
I'm sorry I don't have a numeric camera to send you pictures of this equipement, but look at the folowing link: here (sorry, only in french) Is the manufacturer for Geneva of the emergency Lighting.

Bye,

Sorry for my weak English !

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Leo Enticknap
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Quote from John P's link:
quote:
...radioactive radiation, nuclear substances and materials, the movement of which across the customs border of the Republic of Belarus is restricted.

...except to corrupt officials flogging it to middle-eastern dictatorships and Islamic terrorists, that is!

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Peter Hall
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Leo -
Some guy with a beard did offer me some exit signs in a suitcase - apparently from a former Russian state cinema - not exactly designed for the job but thy certainly did glow very bright !

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Frank Angel
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Jean-Michel, that's great concept -- we have similar "emergency" flourescent fictures that are powered by battery in the event of a power failure. But combining exit lighting with that principle is a good idea, especially since it allow you to keep them at a reduced level for normal operation and then they can go full brightness in an emergency situation.

Frank

PS -- Not to worry about your English; it was perfectly understandable -- I wish I could speak French or ANY other language as well. I particularly like the "numeric" camera -- no doubt that translats digital -- all those one's and zeros, numbers for sure.



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