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John Pytlak
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AFAIK, another reason archives favor changeover projection is they fear loss of a few frames each time leaders are removed for assembling large reels or putting the film on a platter. Wouldn't be surprised that if a new print was returned with splices at the leaders, the theatre would end up on the archive's list.

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Bill Gabel
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UCLA archives will only let change-over houses use their films for screenings.

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Brad Miller
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What always kills me is that anytime I have ran an archival print, the leaders are only a few feet long. If these archive houses were really that serious about taking care of their films, they would add extra leader to the existing lab leaders. I have not seen an archive print that had a "do not cut leaders" policy that did not have substantial and what I would consider offensive wear at the changeovers.

Leader is cheap. There is no excuse.


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Steve Guttag
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Brad,

You'll be happy to know the last time I ran an archival print at the Library of Congress (silent film) that there was something on the order of 3-miles of protective leader on each reel. Talk about a kid glove treatment. It took 2-days just to pull the print from storage so it could come up to ambiant temperture VERY slowly.

Steve

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Leo Enticknap
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Acclimitisation rooms are standard in the better equipped archives for bringing an element from the low temperature and humidity conditions which are optimal for long-term storage to the room temperature and humidity in which they'll be worked on gradually, in order to avoid condensation from forming and various other nasty side-effects.

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Darren Briggs
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As Leo mentioned there is a tinted print available and we showed it about a year ago.
Turning the RP-40 is simple way of ensuring the plate is cut correctly.
As when turned you have the printed on edge which normally indicates the right hand side of the screen, and thus checking you havent gone to far to the left on the plate.
Worked fine for myself and Leo when we did our plates many moons ago, but everyone has ther own way of doing these thing, I might give your way a try next time Pete.

Talking of Silent film ive got two showing this weekend, Chess Fever and The Amazing Adventures of Mr West, both with a live band playing.
They want 18FPS for Chess Fever and 24 for Mr West!? So im expecting to see lots of keystone cops type action in Mr West with it going a thrid to fast! Thre blade shutter is a must, and I installed it today.
Darren

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Steve Guttag
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Ever seen slow speed on a Kinoton "E" series projector? Spooky doesn't do it justice. The shutter doesn't slow down, just the projector. It is the brightest, flicker-free, silent you are likely to see.

Steve

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Leo Enticknap
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There doesn't seem to be any set rule for Russian silents - when archives have given me 'official' speeds they've varied between 16 (Fall of the Romanov Dynasty) to 24 (Turksib). When I've had to make a guess at it by eye I usually settled on 19 or 20.

I wouldn't be surprised if Mr. West was supposed to be quite fast, though. The film is a send-up of American slapstick and chase comedies from the mid-late teens, a kind of putting into practice the arguments Lev Kuleshov put forward in his famous essay 'Americanitis', which looked at why Soviet cinema audiences loved American films so much. Anyone who thinks that Soviet propagandists were incapable of humour is in for quite a surprise when they see this film! The American slapsticks were often deliberately shown faster than they were shot in order to heighten the comic effect.


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Gunter Oehme
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The Kinoton E series projectors might be a good solution for a cinema which unfrequently shows silent movies.
As an advantage there is no need for a 3 bladed shutter for flicker free slow speed and therefore the light output is pretty high.

But there is a downside of the Kinoton E at slow speed. The film is not transported at a constant speed anymore. The projector is duplicating frames to match the constant shutter speed.
Slow movements in the movies appear discontinuous (similiar to the 2/3 pulldown for 24 fps movies in NTSC television).
At certain film speeds I find this effect to be annoying.

For cinemas showing silent movies at a regular basis like archive cinemas I prefer the classical projector types with 3 bladed shutter.

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Steve Guttag
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How many of the Kinoton's have you observed? The film is indeed moving at a continious rate. That is, the sprocket motor is moving at a constant speed...no ifs ands or buts. The only limitation that the "E" machine puts on the system is that the intermittent can not pull down whilst the shutter is not blocking the light. Kinoton also has the shutter act more like a 3-blade shutter when the speed drops below 20fps...you can hear it change speed and the appearance on the screen looks a little different.

I guess what you might not like is the relationship of the number of flashes (shutter dependant) to the number of fame updates (fps).

While the speed of the projector slows down, the number of flashes per frame goes up...the flicker is a constant one and rapid enough as to not be any worse than normal sound speed of 24 fps.

With a conventional set up...everything slows down together. It certainly is a different look and to some, perhaps, a more pleasing one. I, for one, prefer the look of the faster rate shutter. I can honestly say I have never had one single complaint about the look of the "E" series Kinoton running silent speeds and I have a bunch of them out there...in fact...most are simply awe-struck and have never seen silent look better.

Bear in mind, Kinoton, like other companies, updates their firmware to "improve" the operation of the projectors so perhaps there may have been a glitch in the version that was on your machine(s). I know I had one that when the speed was below 20fps, the shutter would loose sync. Apparantly, the firmware was updated and someone forgot to check all of the ramifications of the change.

Steve

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