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Peter Hall
Master Film Handler

Posts: 314
From: London, UK
Registered: Dec 2000

posted 11-13-2002 02:04 PM

Gordon -

INterested in your V4 prototype - was it SRD or analogue only ? How did you go getting the drum off ?

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Ken McFall
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 615
From: Haringey, London.
Registered: Apr 2001

posted 11-13-2002 02:30 PM

Hi Ben,

One other thing to check regards the ghosting of your picture is the coupling springs on the shutter mounting. Try holding the motor handle firm and reaching in and moving the shutter. It should move slightly and return to its original position when you release it. Try it both ways. If these springs are very tired or even broken the shutter will move within the coupling and give you an unstaedy ghost.

Nice to hear you're keeping in touch with Tom.... he's been keeping me informed of a few things as well Seems there's some half truths going around again... can't think where or who they are coming from..... NOT! Mind you Tom's not silly enough to belive half of it, the source is renowned for its unreliability. Tom's got more sense than the guy that's spreading it.

He's busy installing a second screen with a Vic 8 and Vic 5 in Wales so he's having fun fun fun!!

Regards.

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Demetris Thoupis
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1240
From: Aradippou, Larnaca, Cyprus
Registered: Apr 2001

posted 11-14-2002 01:59 PM

Why don't we raise the real question about these machines.
WHICH are most reliable. We all know that KINOTON projector are fully electronic with computer adjustments e.t.c so what if a board shortages or something. This won't happen to a V 5 or even a V 4. You all blame cinemeccanica for shaky picture. They do reinovate you know. Check the new curved gate by cinemeccanica for V5. That gives a rock steady picture. Compared to a Christie, Cinemeccanica is a GOD Machine!! Anyway. I worked with many brands. Although Kinoton are excellent machines, I won't trade any machine's reliability for my V 5.
Demetris Thoupis

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Stephen Furley
Film God

Posts: 3059
From: Coulsdon, Croydon, England
Registered: May 2002

posted 11-14-2002 02:17 PM

Kinoton make both electronic and conventional 35mm machines; I think all the new 70mm ones are electronic now, I'm not sure about 16mm. I have never used the electronic ones. I cannot comment on the reliability issue, as I only project occasionally, and have never had a machine, of any make fail on me.

It strikes me that film projectors are generally very reliable devices, much more so than cars or computers, for example. I have only once known a breakdown while I was watching a film, it was fixed in about two minutes, and there are plenty of machines well over forty years old, still giving good service; a record which most other devices would find it hard to match.

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Steve Guttag
We forgot the crackers Gromit!!!

Posts: 12814
From: Annapolis, MD
Registered: Dec 1999

posted 11-15-2002 11:30 PM

I don't know there...I think the "D" series Kinoton's will bury a Cinemeccanica "V" anything on the reliability front too. There just isn't that much to go wrong. Direct drive intermittent. Chain drive sprockets and the only gear drives the shutter...again, directly off the the intermittent. The intermittent oil system is pretty basic and plentiful.

Now when it comes to turret and apertures...I can't comment...I only deal with the single lens holders...again Kinoton is pretty darn good on that front.

Steve

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"Old projectionists never die, they just changeover!"

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Leo Enticknap
Film God

Posts: 7474
From: Loma Linda, CA
Registered: Jul 2000

posted 11-20-2002 05:47 AM

Just for Peter, Ken and of course any lurkers from west of the border...

...from the 1897 film Dipping Sheep, shot on a farm near Aberystwyth.

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Per Hauberg
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 883
From: Malling, Denmark
Registered: Jul 2000

posted 11-20-2002 05:55 PM

Now we just wait for Joe to do some photo-manipulation, showing these brave shepheards dipping a cinemec or two

thank You ! [Big Grin]

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