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Steve Kraus
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 - posted 11-09-2002 10:22 AM      Profile for Steve Kraus     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I was wondering the same thing.

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Josh Jones
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 - posted 11-09-2002 01:32 PM      Profile for Josh Jones   Author's Homepage   Email Josh Jones   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
There is a piece of SLO cord coming out of the pedistal with three wires in it. Those 3 wires go into a erostrip and then up to the changeover. The snubber circuit, which had a .1uf cap and a 10 ohm resistor in series, was hanging out of the eurostrip and wrapped in yellow electrical tape.

good memory eh?

Josh

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Steve Guttag
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 - posted 11-09-2002 05:56 PM      Profile for Steve Guttag   Email Steve Guttag   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Oh Josh, I'm afraid you'll have to do better than that! A drawing or at least a description of a complete circuit. I (and probably Steve) could picture a capacitor connected somehow.

Was the RC network across the coil or was it on one side to ground? Those are the answers we are looking for.

Steve

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Josh Jones
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'twas across the hot and neutral of each coil, not to ground.

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Josh Jones
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I was feeling ambitious so I made ya a stinking drawing

Josh

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Steve Kraus
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 - posted 11-10-2002 10:38 AM      Profile for Steve Kraus     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Well, what do you think of those resistors, Steve? Also is it better to have such an arrangement near the C/O coils (as the impulse source as the field collapses) or near the button contacts (as the radiation point of RF as the opening contacts arc)?

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Steve Guttag
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 - posted 11-10-2002 07:01 PM      Profile for Steve Guttag   Email Steve Guttag   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
What about the resistors?

They are the right way to do it on a theoretical level and seem to be doing the job here. A capacitor can not have it's voltage or current change instantaneously. Current through a capacitor is described by the equation i(t) = C*d v(t)/dt. That whole differential thing prohibits the instantaneous voltage change. As such, without the resistor, the small resistance in the wire must serve as the total resistance.

Anytime you connect a capacitor or inductor directly it is technically bad design though often functional.

In fact, it is this very same principle that is causing the popping sound. As the inductor (what we call a changeover coil) is disconnected, it too can not change voltage (or current) instantaneously. As the switch contacts release, the coil raises the voltage to the point it breaks down the air and causes and arc and the "pop" is born. The RC circuit gives the exponentially increasing voltage a place to go besides the switch. The capacitor directs high-frequency (a pop) to the neutral and away from the switch and other sensitive (sound) devices.

So to answer your second question...it is best to put a snubber circuit as close to the source of the noise...in this case, the changeover. It isn't the switch that is causing the problem..it just receives the abuse...you would want the snubber right on the coil leads.

Steve

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Paul G. Thompson
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Just thought I would let you know I was listening...


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