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Author Topic: Rewinding on Make-Up Tables Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 11-23-2002 06:05 PM                     Pat, what is that huge black flange with the folded over edges that can handle 6000' cores of film? Is that a Strong product, or someone else's designed to fit onto the Strong MUT? Other than it being easily bent, it works quite well. I haven't seen any indication of slipping on any of the Strong MUTs I have worked with.  |  IP: Logged Paul G. Thompson The Weenie Man Posts: 4718 From: Mount Vernon WA USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 11-23-2002 06:06 PM                     That's what I was talking about. If you try to wind a preview on a standard 1-inch core, forget it. The drive dog is in the way, flange or no flange. The keys in the CFS tables last for about 20 years. If they are hardened steel, I don't see where it would be a problem. The drive dog could still be used....for the 6,000 foot reels to reduce the tension on the key of the 5/16" shafts. As an added note, the 5/16 keyed shaft would fit all 2000 foot shipping reels, not just a few.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 11-23-2002 06:18 PM                     But if they put a keyed shaft on the tables, just how many threaded holes would they have to have so that reels could fit onto the keyed part and ALSO line up with the drive pin holes?  |  IP: Logged Paul G. Thompson The Weenie Man Posts: 4718 From: Mount Vernon WA USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 11-23-2002 06:32 PM                     Good point, Brad. I don't think that would be too big a problem. The drive dog would be used for 6,000 foot reels anyway. The remaining 2000 foot reels could use the key, just like that have been doing ever since platters were offered in the market. As far as the 5/16 keyway shaft is concerned, I remember only two keys actually breaking in the last 35 years I have been in the booth. Those keys have been in the 1/16 standard shaft for what....almost a hundered years now?  |  IP: Logged Pat Moore Master Film Handler Posts: 363 Registered: Mar 2000 posted 11-23-2002 07:50 PM                     That #3930 mentioned earlier is that black flange with the bent edges. That trailer flange sells more overseas, where film very often comes to the theatres just wound on a core and a piece of cardboard between reels -- no exchange reel in site. You have to have the flange or a plate to handle it. The horizontal table is desired in many areas for that reason, as they regard vertical handling of the film dangerous without a more expensive split reel. They can place the film roll right on the flange and go straight onto the platter. Most rolls are 1800-2000ft, but when they do exchanges between theatres they sometimes do it in 6000ft increments. Maybe I'm over sensitive about the 5/16" drive key, just seems like they were a problem. Other than handling cores it's generally not too much of an issue. Paul, you probably treat them better than most. Pat  |  IP: Logged Paul G. Thompson The Weenie Man Posts: 4718 From: Mount Vernon WA USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 11-23-2002 07:54 PM                     Anyway, I bumped an old thread back to the top so some of you can see what I was addressing about the preview cores. One picture shows that very clearly.  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 11-23-2002 09:01 PM                     I, personally, do not like the idea of keyed spindles used for Make-up break down. Despite Paul's experience, I've seen countless dozens of keys break in the last couple of decades. Furthermore, depending on the reel, the part that engages the key is sharp and will cut through it. Even Kelmar offered the "extended key" to deal with those reels. As to the Strong flange, Paul, you remove the dog pin (screw). The flange uses the dog to drive it and all that is sticking up is the 1" core drive. Steve  |  IP: Logged Paul G. Thompson The Weenie Man Posts: 4718 From: Mount Vernon WA USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 11-23-2002 09:18 PM                     Steve, you must have a trailer flange that must have been specially made for what you are describing. The core holder I use was made by another company (Newmade, I think), and it has a slot that matches the key in the 5/16 inch shaft on the CFS tables. I'll have to check and see if Strong's flange has provisions to engage on the drive spindle since it has no key on the 5/16-inch shaft like CFS and the older Potts had. In fact, I'll take a picture of the Strong spindle and post it tomorrow.  |  IP: Logged Ken Layton Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1452 From: Olympia, Wash. USA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 11-23-2002 09:22 PM                     Sometimes at the Skyline drive-in our prints show up only a half hour before showtime! We are out in the sticks and print delivery time to us varies considerably. Sometimes one or two reels of the feature will be tails out and I use the Strong makeup table to rewind the reel because it goes like a bat out of hell in order to meet showtime deadline.  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-23-2002 09:30 PM                        Brad--what booths have multiple rewind benches? That only seems to be common in either a) large multiplexes with multiple booths (one rewind bench per booth) or b) older single-screen houses that have both a handcrank bench and a motorized bench. I've never seen two motorized rewind benches near each other in a single booth. I haven't worked with Strong platters, so I can't comment on their MUT, but I will say that I like the Christie vertical MUT. If it had rewind capability, I'd probably never use it. I make up prints onto 6000' reels at a proper rewind bench and them down onto shipping reels on the MUT. It would be nice to have a MUT with both "dog-drive" (for normal use) and "key-drive" (for breaking prints down onto cores using a split reel).  |  IP: Logged Paul G. Thompson The Weenie Man Posts: 4718 From: Mount Vernon WA USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 11-23-2002 09:44 PM                     Ken, if you have a trailer flange like Steve mentioned that works on a Strong MUT or even one like I mentioned that works on a CFS/older Potts MUT, you can rewind a 2-1/2 minute preview like a double bat out of hell in less than 15 seconds.  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 11-23-2002 10:23 PM                     Paul, Yes it is a special trailer flange...part #3930 by Strong/Potts (Design and Manufacturing). If I can get some pics, I'll post them. Steve  |  IP: Logged Paul G. Thompson The Weenie Man Posts: 4718 From: Mount Vernon WA USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 11-23-2002 10:35 PM                     Cool. Thanks, Steve. I'll have to get one.  |  IP: Logged Pat Moore Master Film Handler Posts: 363 Registered: Mar 2000 posted 11-23-2002 11:29 PM                     Strong's CDROM has some details on the #3930 Flange. Can't remember if I put something on the website or not, have to check on that. If it's not there, it will be in a day or so... Pat  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 11-24-2002 01:47 AM                     I found a picture of the flange I am talking about. I will take pictures tomorrow showing how it mounts to the Strong MUT.  |  IP: Logged

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