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Author Topic: Gagging order... Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 12-13-2002 08:51 PM                     Ken, we could always initiate the old idea of creating a private forum right here alongside the already established public ones. A forum of which can only be accessed by active members. That would drive these people mad. I do wish companies like TES would put a designated rep on the forums to answer questions and assist the people in the field. Clearly the suits are concerned that somehow their company will look bad, but what they don't seem to understand is that such a company looks TERRIBLE right now. Whether they feel this way or not, the distinct impression is that they do not care in the least bit. A little representation for Q&A and one on one assistance would go a long way. Perhaps this year we could have the "4th Annual ShoWest Film-Tech Drink salute to MegaStar Cinemas".  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-13-2002 09:00 PM                     At the intersociety meeting in LasVegas the people from MegaStar were present and left in a hurry when it was brought up about the good online resource of FIlmTech  |  IP: Logged David Stambaugh Film God Posts: 4021 From: Eugene, Oregon Registered: Jan 2002 posted 12-13-2002 09:05 PM                        Post deleted by author because it brought up a personal issue relating to someone else that's really none of my business to be talking about (unless the other party mentions it first).  |  IP: Logged Jim Alexander Film Handler Posts: 71 From: Greenwood, Nova Scotia, Canada Registered: Nov 1999 posted 12-13-2002 09:44 PM                        Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I think the most "secret" suggestion I made on rec.arts.movies.tech was to place a scrap film band around a large print on a platter. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- So you are the one who gave us this national secret! Excellent, but I would hardly call it a "trade secret". Ideas like these are what helps build quality projectionists. I could see it if the "trade secret" involved financial information or possibly public campaign plans, but booth tricks Thank god I'm an independant operator and I don't have to answer to anyone...other than the wife  |  IP: Logged Paul G. Thompson The Weenie Man Posts: 4718 From: Mount Vernon WA USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 12-13-2002 09:50 PM                     Ken said: quote: So I have issued the ... quite a nice feeling. Ken, the times I did it, it was a very nice feeling, indeed! It was like unleashing pent-up feelings that were as powerful as an atomb bomb! As I look back, I am still glad I did it. One of these people was so desperate that he tried to get me fired at the radio station, or he would close his advertizing account. The GM told me later this attempt was made, and the GM told that person to take his account elsewhere.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 12-14-2002 02:25 AM                        Careful Jeffry, if word of that highly guarded trade secret gets out, people will surely loose jobs and others will be forced to take cuts in pay! It's secrets like the one you mention which keep the projectionist trade the strongest trade in the world! I know some companies won't have a representative sign up for the forums because they don't want certain information leaked or fear that other members may attack them based on past posts/reputation on the company's products. I do think that attacking a company out of spite is wrong. If you must badmouth someone, I think it's best to have a good reason and explain it well and as "calmly" as possible. I also don't think it's a good idea to go around saying stuff like "I work for Craplex Theaters and they told us today in a company memo that each theater will have at least one screen upgraded to center-surround sound!" Stuff like that is private to the company. This is a forum to talk about the job and its situations. There certainly is nothing wrong with that. Unless you feel you have something to hide.  |  IP: Logged Kevin Baglow Expert Film Handler Posts: 135 From: Yeppoon Qld, Australia Registered: Dec 2000 posted 12-14-2002 07:30 AM                        I'm not sure what u are all on about, but will put in my 10cents worth: Once some one said "Money talks-Bullshit walks" Apologys in advance  |  IP: Logged Manny Knowles "What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???" Posts: 4247 From: Bloomington, IN, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 12-15-2002 12:08 AM                     Post deleted by Manny Knowles because it contained misinformation. Apologies to all, especially to Ken L. and Brad.  |  IP: Logged James R. Hammonds, Jr Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 931 From: Houston, TX, USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 12-15-2002 01:33 AM                     What thread did this happen in? I must have missed that thread all together.  |  IP: Logged Manny Knowles "What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???" Posts: 4247 From: Bloomington, IN, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 12-15-2002 10:20 AM                     Post deleted by Manny Knowles because it contained misinformation. Apologies to all, especially to Ken L. and Brad.  |  IP: Logged Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 12-15-2002 11:00 AM                        One thing worth pointing out straight away is that writing anything on a public forum such as this is tantamount to publishing it. Absolutely anyone who has access to an Internet-connected computer can read it. That means that you are potentially regulated by all the legal issues surrounding the publication of anything in any form. They lays down the same ground rules as also apply in a verbal conversation, a letter or a published book or article. In practice (for me at least), this means not mentioning another individual or organisation by name unless (i) you are stating plain simple facts that you can corroborate, or (ii) you are saying something nice about them. Ken raised this issue in another thread, by pointing out that I had misremembered a technical detail about FP-20s and that this could potentially have lead to a misleading advice scenario. This brings up an important principle. In another life, so to speak, I moderate a listserve (not film related at all), and recently have had to reject quite a few posts because the way in which they criticise certain published research falls foul of the rules imposed by the university which hosts the list. Personally I think these rules are a bit paranoid, but the issue which precipitated them remains. The bottom line is - don't write anything about anyone here that you wouldn't be willing to say to his or her face. We can debate the rules imposed by our employers until the cows come home. What these are will depend on what provisions are in someone's contract of employment and whether those rules are legal or not. But at the end of the day, it's us wot said it and us wot will have to live with it. Say it on a forum such as this one and you've told the world. quote: Ken, we could always initiate the old idea of creating a private forum right here alongside the already established public ones. A forum of which can only be accessed by active members. That would drive these people mad. IMHO that would run the risk of encouraging flaming and axe-grinding without necessarily safeguarding freedom of speech. After all, those who take issue with a potentially controversial viewpoint can also be active members. At least a totally public forum encourages people to think about what they're writing. quote: The two companies that blackballed me (or tried to) are now bankrupt. I have a similar story. About a year ago I took a train from York to Glasgow, and found my reserved seat occupied by another passenger. They had forgotten to stick the piece of paper on the top of the seat which indicates that it is reserved. The train was completely full, so it wasn't as if I could just sit down somewhere else. I found the guard and explained the situation to him (OK, I was angling for an upgrade): his response was that that 'there are no reservations on this train', and that I would just have to stand up and put up with it. I responded that I wasn't happy (I'd queued up for ages - and paid - to reserve the seat, several weeks before the journey), and asked him how I should go about getting a refund. His response was that I should stop complaining or else I'd find myself complaining to a policeman when he had be taken off the train at the next station for disorderly conduct! Needless to say I wrote a flaming letter to the train company. Their reply came a fortnight later: 'We are sorry, blah blah blah. Ordinarily we would have taken up the matter with the train manager involved, however I regret to say that he died suddenly on Friday.' I'll certainly think twice before writing a similar letter in future!  |  IP: Logged Ken McFall Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 615 From: Haringey, London. Registered: Apr 2001 posted 12-15-2002 05:58 PM                     Hi Leo.... if you know anything of me at all I will always stand up for anything I say. I'm not a hypocrite what I say is what I mean. On the front page of this forum is a condition of entry and participation.... once you enter the forum you have agreed to these conditions. Not sure how many of you will have read the conditions fully, its a fact of life we just love to click OK!! If you participate then you can expect someone to reply.... and it may not always be what you want to hear. I'm fine with that I am an adult not a child who says 'yes' to get his way and then cry's about it all afterwards. Being honest does not mean being nice all the time.... I can and will stand by anything I say. In a free world we are entitled to have an opinion, that's why I participate in an open forum..... if you can't stand the heat then get away from the fire. Regards  |  IP: Logged Ken Lackner Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1907 From: Atlanta, GA, USA Registered: Sep 2001 posted 12-16-2002 12:50 PM                     Woa! Hold on a second. My "Questions about Unions" thread came long before, and had nothing to do with, my employement at CinemaWorld. I was new to the forums and that time, and knew very little of projection unions. I was simply curious as to how they opperate, and I think perhaps some people didn't like my choice of words in a few posts. But that thread had nothing to do with my employement. So where would you possibly have heard that was why I was fired from CinemaWorld?  |  IP: Logged Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 12-16-2002 03:26 PM                        Hi Ken: I agree, being honest doesn't mean being nice all the time, but IMHO it should mean being constructive. By that I mean that if you decide to criticise a person, organisation or a product then (i) that criticism should be based on accurate information, and (ii) it should be done to achieve a positive outcome. For example, 'so-and-so made this mistake because of these factors, so here is how to avoid making that mistake in future.' By keeping personalities out of it you keep criticism to the point, and also make things not quite as hard for the person you're criticising. I wouldn't descibe myself as a peace, love and lentils-type person (well, I am a Daily Telegraph reader ), but I can't see any point in causing an upset if you don't need to. Life is too short... I totally agree with standing up for anything you say and with the consequent notion of freedom of speech. I was simply trying to make the point that freedom of speech is a responsibility as well as a right. I know I tend to forget that anything I write here (and on any listserve that is archived and web-searchable) is effectively published for all the world to see. It's easy to do that, because I'd guess that on this site, 20-30 people account for 99% of the posts. So I tend to forget that tens of millions of people can read it, and potentially, take offence. Whether they're justified in taking offence or not is a totally different question, and I for one would have to feel very deeply about an issue to want to want to get involved in a massive debate over it...  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 12-16-2002 03:30 PM                        My personal "code of conduct": Speak the truth. Back up what you say with data or links. Admit mistakes if proven wrong. Label personal opinion as such.  |  IP: Logged

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