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Michael Coate
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Kudos to the projectionist, whoever he was. He did a great job. I don't believe he was named, but he should have gotten the spotlight and taken a bow. Good job.
The Egyptian Theatre projectionists are Paul Rayton, Jesse Rodriguez, and Sidi Henne.

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Rich Greenhalgh
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We are currently attending the World 3-D Expo at the Egyptian Theater in Hollywood. In addition to the usual local suspects, we have met people from New York (a Bradford alumni), Atlanta, Virginia, Connecticut, Missouri, Indiana, Germany and Brazil. They are all here to see this amazing week of 3-D, HTWWW at the Cinerama Dome and the important showing of David Strohmaier's "Cinerama Adventure."

I am about 5 years too young to have seen any of these films first run and I never really wanted to see them projected anaglyphically in most recent retrospective showings. This festival has given us a real appreciation for these films and the 3-D process of the day. While some are better than others, this process enhances every film we have seen. The process is not just something to use for a few comin'-at-ya effects, it adds depth and interest to every scene.

Jeff Joseph and Sabucat Productions have simply produced the most complete and amazing once-in-a-lifetime 3-D festival on the planet. Paul Rayton and his crew at the Egyptian Theater are projecting every feature and short in the Polaroid 3-D process on a newly installed silver screen in perfect registration. Some of the films we have seen are beautiful, newly-struck, prints. Others are last remaining prints. Some were thought no longer to exist. All of the films are shown, as they originally were, with an intermission to allow for one reel change.

House of Wax was well deservedly sold out. Though the stereo sound track no longer exists, the new print is excellent. A fascinating short, Motor Rhythm and a Q&A session with special guest Paul Picerni, rounded out the auspicious start of the festival. Mrs. Andre DeToth, the director's widow, was in the audience.

Jeff told us that Stranger Wore a Gun was the only film shot on Eastman "Stripper Film" which Technicolor locked away thereafter. The new print looked good.

Gorilla at Large was a surprisingly good mystery with Raymond Burr. The color print looked good and the Q&A with Raymond Stevens was illuminating.

Cat-Women of the Moon was shown from an original print which was as sharp and grain free as it gets. This cult classic was great fun. The color short Adventures of Sam Space was very entertaining and the Q&A with the head Cat-Women was a hoot.

The left-eye print of Gog was thought to be lost forever and the negatives no longer exist. While a bit faded, this recently found left print is in good registration with the right print and the good color from the right print allowed us to enjoy some very well done 3-D effects. Joe Dante hosted director Herbert L. Strock and actor William Schallert in an interesting Q&A session following the feature.

The Kiss Me Kate sold-out audience was one of the most appreciative in my recent memory. This new print was just a delight to see, if a bit warm in color balance. It was shown in stereo for the first time in fifty years. Bugs Bunny delighted the audience in Lumber Jack Rabbit before the show and special guest Kathryn Grayson and Tommy Rall made the Q&A a most memorable event.

While we were watching Kiss Me Kate, another sold-out audience waited to see It Came from Outer Space at 10:30 PM. The studio loaned the original 3-track mag soundtrack to Jeff Joseph who magically got Chace Productions to donate their services to transfer it to a hard dive which was synced with the two projectors to provide the appreciative audience with a rare opportunity to see this show in both 3-D and stereo. A surprise citation from the mayor of Los Angeles was presented to Ray Bradbury to commemorate this occasion during the Q&A which preceded the film. A Universal Nat King Cole short rounded out the evening.

Sunday we were back at it at the Egyptian for more 3-D films. Some of these films are really quite excellent. And then, well, there are others. First up on Sunday was a rare (perhaps not rare enough) showing of the 1953 classic, "Robot Monster" (which has obtained a richly deserved 2.1 rating from all of us who rate films for our friends at IMDb).

Before the film, we were treated to a screening of the short "Stardust in Your Eyes" which was made by the same people who produced "Robot Monster." It was designed to be run before it, but apparently never did. In it, actor Slick Slavin delivers a humorous monologue featuring a number of impersonations (including Humphrey Bogart, James Cagney, Jimmy Stewart and others) about their reactions to 3-D.

As with Cat-Women of the Moon the previous day, the audience showed remarkable respect and restraint for Jeff's new silver 3-D screen by not throwing things at it during this not-to-be-missed film. One can only wonder if Western Costumes was overstocked on gorilla costumes that year . . . After the film, the director's son had a few words to say followed by a surprise special guest. Ro-Man came out of retirement to the great delight of an almost full house. He later terrorized those waiting for the next show in the theater forecourt.

I must add that Paul Rayton was kind enough to ask me if Jack Greenhalgh, the cinematographer, was a relative of mine. While I have heard of him, gratefully (in this case) I can confirm that he is not a relative. I did look him up and found that he was involved in 199 films from 1926 to 1953. I found it interesting to note that his work on Robot Monster, appears to have been his last job . . . .

The stand-by line for a much better film, "Creature from the Black Lagoon" was out to the street an hour before the show started. That show was great and all enjoyed the Q&A with Julia Adams after the show.

If you are interested, I can recommend the all-color Festival Program AND the excellent DVD (with over 40 3-D trailers and some fabulous early 3-D footage which can effectively be seen anaglyphically with the included glasses. These are available on the festival website at www.3dfilmfest.com.

Thursday we will take a night off to see HTWWW at the newly outfitted Cinerama Dome. This is a new print which we saw last December at a special SMPTE showing. Personally, I like John Harvey's pieced-together Technicolor IB pint better, but this new print IS really very nice.

I have some interesting pictures which I took outside the theater. If anyone is interested, let me know. Festival rules prohibit shooting in the theater but photos are being professionally taken so hopefully these will soon show up on the festival website.

Richard Greenhalgh
Pasadena, California

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Frank Angel
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At the risk of repetition, I will post here the post that I made over at Jeff's 35mmForum site because it spoke to some of Greg's complaints about the seating process. Plus we should all hound Jeff until he gives up the details about the interlock of the PC soundtracks to the projectors! And posts PICTURES of the booth.

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Another standing ovation for Jeff and crew. I saw practically every film (over-slept and missed ROBOT MONSTER and had a long lost college buddy reunion and missed GUN FURY and THE NEBRASKAN.

I wanted to do a day-by-day critique of the shows as was done here so well by our fellow forumites, but my laptop died two days before I left Brooklyn. But here, back at the ole desktop PC, I'll relay a few other observations.

The thing that impressed me most, aside from the magnitude and historical importance of the event itself, was what it proved. I had only seen a handful of the titles when I was a kid and I do remember getting a headache on at least two occasions and heard many people who talked about their first 3D experiences and complained of headaches from eye strain. My take on this, even at that age, was "hell, a headache is a small price to pay to see this incredible 3D!!" This expo proves that with proper projection and modern computer designed lenses (which have much tighter tolerances and thus less magnification error), polarized dual 3D is virtually headache-free. Not once during this marathon (some weekend days we were watching 10 hours of film) did I, nor anyone with whom I spoke, ever get any headache or eye discomfort at all. And there was no ghosting. I recall the films in the 50s, you always seemed to have some ghosting. Perhaps the polaroid material today is better, I don't know, but these images were never marred by ghosting.

Another enlightening fact that came out of this expo for me, was the fact that aside from the 3D "gags," the dimensional aspect of the image almost disappeared as an oddity and became as natural as color imagery in a color film. The fact that you are experiencing color isn't an intruding awareness -- it is just there and it disappears into the experience....it isn't a constant presence in your conscious mind. Same thing with 3D -- after seeing the first few films, the dimensional effect because natural and unobtrusive. This was most apparent in the titles that were made at the end of the 3D run in which the producers thought they would play lots of flat engagements. DIAL M FOR MURDER and MISS SADIE THOMPSON were very much in this vein -- the sense of depth and space was as natural as is normal vision, and mercifully, nothing was thrown at the viewer.

The one incredible fact that I had never had any knowledge of and which knocked my socks off, was the single strip Technicolor process whereby the images on the film are polarized right in the emulsion so no polarizing filters are needed on the projector AND, marvel of marvels, BOTH EYES are on the single strip of film!! What an incredible invention! The Walt Disney short that was shown in this process -- MELODY -- proved that the picture was brighter (no filter is necessary in front of the projector lens) and what's even more significant, such a print could be played in any single projector booth! Every one of the titles in the expo that still have existing left and right eye negs could theoretically be printed to this system and shown theatrically in any theatre. But, of course, this would require a Technicolor lab (no such thing any longer) and the Polaroid Land technology. One could only imagine what this system would have done for 3D if it were used in the 50s -- no misalignment of dual projectors or their lenses -- basically a single projector system with all the benefits of a bright image and full frame resolution (unlike the crappy half frame/half resolution of the over/under system). You could even do CinemaScope with this system. Imagine; THE ROBE, not only in CinemaScope, but in 3D!

I was also surprised to see how much mis-registration there was between the two eye images due to the natural aging/shrinking of the original elements. If you took off the glasses, the two images were literally doing a dance -- up down, back and forth -- with each other. Yet the eye seemed to be able to handle this without much effort or strain. Put the glasses back on and the eyes and brain locked those dancing images hard and firm together. This tells me that the projection in the 50s must have REALLY been quite imperfect.

As for the seating process, I must admit it could have been done with less confusion, but that's easy to say in hindsight. I don't think the idea of giving a preference to the subscription pass holders by letting them in first was a major problem, nor is it unprecedented. It is done all the time -- our subscribers not only get in first, but they get priority to purchase tickets before they go on sale to the general public. And they can pick seats of their preference as well. There have to be some perks for people who shell out 2 or 3 hundred dollars up front over those who purchase single tickets. Ours even get private meetings with the artists backstage.

It seems that of the few hundred full pass holders (Jeff would verify the number), they pretty much distributed themselves evenly throughout the theatre with some preferring the front seats and some the stadium section. I didn't see people holding lots of seats. There were occasions where some people would hold seats for other full pass holders who already were in the theatre by reason that they were on the pass holders line. They would have gotten in before the single ticket line anyway. Lots of times people would hold seats for whoever was next to them so the person could go to concessions or the rest rooms, regardless of whether or not they were single ticket or full pass patrons.

Reserved seating can work, but it becomes a much more time consuming process to get people seated and it requires a much larger compliment of ushers. The one thing that I would have suggested -- something we do whenever we have a near full house in our small theatre -- is to have ushers standing in the isles at the front of the theatre and insisting that as the patrons fill up the seats, they move to the center of each isle and DON'T LEAVE ANY EMPTY SEATS. That is a must for quick and painless seating -- something the Expo would have benefited from; it eliminates the confusion you have where you have to find vacant seats, asking people to point out where there are "holes" in order to fill them with bodies, as happened at a few of the shows. If everyone is forced to fill all the seats in the row as they enter, that "seat search" is eliminated. That would be my only criticism of the seating process. Everything else was top draw.

One other little point: it would have been nice to have given people name tags and an area to congregate specifically for the 35mmForum and Film-Tech forum people. I did meet some folks from the MusicBox in Chicago and the Cinerama tech guys, but couldn't find some of the forum members who were there. Name tags would have helped.

Naturally I was dying to see to see the booth setup, but hesitated to even ask knowing that there must have been dozens of people with the same request and which would have been impossible. But galdang it, WE WANT PICTURES! And an explanation of HOW that stereo dump to the computer was locked to the print of IT CAME FROM OUTER SPACE.

Jeff, any chance you can post some pictures of the booth equipment on the 3D website before it is shut down? Pictures and LOTS of technical details! We are all drooling to see this stuff.

Frank


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Jeff Joseph
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Pictures and video will be going up in the next week or so.

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Frank Angel
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Very, very cool.

And may I suggest that Brad make Jeff an honorary Film God.

Frank

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Jeff Joseph
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We hired a still photographer and just yesterday I got the proofs (we shot FILM). He DID take a few digital images, but the rest will need to be scanned.

I just couldn't bring myself to have digital as our main source of still images.

Jeff

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John Pytlak
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I just couldn't bring myself to have digital as our main source of still images.

I use both. My Kodak digital camera is great for speed and convenience, especially when I want to send or post the images. But for images I want to treasure or push to the limit (e.g., unavoidable underexposure, really high magnification), film is still my choice.

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Martin Brooks
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Film is my choice also, but what I do is get Kodak Perfect Touch processing with a CD. The processing is pretty good for machine work, the negs come back clean and they provide an index print. The CD gets an index print as well and that way I have all my images in electronic as well as physical form. And it's relatively inexpensive.

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Jeff Joseph
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A great article on the 3-D Expo:

http://www.leonardmaltin.com

thanks,

Jeff

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William Hooper
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I'll second what Martin says about the Kodak Perfect Touch processing, available as the 2-day processing at K-Mart & Target. There's some sort of automated digital adjustment that's made to print exposure that's pulled out a bunch of seat-of-the-pants shots. The downside of that is if you're getting fancy with exposures, it sometimes makes a decision you don't like. Also, the sharpening that's done to prints helps shaky or blurred shots, but makes them look a tad flatter. Overall, though, it's my choice for drop-off processing. I don't use their picture CD option, or their pictures-on-the-web option (the res was so lo on those!)

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John Pytlak
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Thank you for the kind words about Kodak PERFECT TOUCH film processsing. Basically, a form of "digital intermediate" for consumer photographers: [Smile]

http://www.kodak.com/go/perfecttouch

Kodak Perfect Touch processing FAQ

Does amazing things to improve image quality. I use it all the time now. [Cool]

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