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Bernard Tonks
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From: Cranleigh, Surrey, England
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 - posted 05-13-2003 03:29 PM      Profile for Bernard Tonks   Email Bernard Tonks   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Steve wrote,

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It would be worth experimenting with putting Panavision into the theatre newspaper ads along with the sound format to differentiate from the competition and see if it lures in a few more customers. But only for true anamorphic films; none of this grainy Super 35 crap.
Ten years ago I used to put in the newspaper ads, CinemaScope and Dolby Stereo. I then tried Panavision. Nobody ever commented, and I doubt if it ever put extra bums on seats. I'm sure 70mm would have been an attraction, had I been equipped with.

I’m sure I read somewhere, maybe on Film-Tech, that the CinemaScope copyright had expired, and Fox had only just renewed it in time.

Does anyone remember some B+W western pictures filmed anamorphic, and called RegalScope ? Unless I’m badly mistaken made by Fox.

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Mark J. Marshall
Film God

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Did "CinemaScope" originally also imply 4 track magnetic sound with the anamorphic picture?

Probably a moot point now, but I thought I read that somewhere.

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Phil Hill
I love my cootie bug

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In GENERAL, I don't think Panavision, CinemaScope, VistaVision, 70MM, DTS, Dolby or any other format influence the film-goers. The exception is the few "in the know" aficionados. The title and cast are the draw...AND/OR the promise of a hot date afterwards.... [beer]

>>> Phil

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Paul Linfesty
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quote:
Did "CinemaScope" originally also imply 4 track magnetic sound with the anamorphic picture?
Yes. The original specifications drawn up by Fox included a mag stereo ONLY policy for their films. When trans-lux theatres got around this by installing a mixing box to make the four channels into one, FOX saw that a loophole existed in their contract and promptly drew up one for future films to ban this practice. However, due to overwhelming exhibitor complaints ("we cant afford both a new screen AND speakers") Fox and others relented around the middle of 1954, at first offering dual inventory prints (and, in Fox's case seom mag mono prints)and then eventualy mag-optic prints with foxholes and optic prints with standard perfs.

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Does anyone remember some B+W western pictures filmed anamorphic, and called RegalScope ? Unless I’m badly mistaken made by Fox.
Not just westerns, but horror movies, too. In fact, these were CinemaScope productions, but Fox had made a marketing push that color was an integal part of CinemaScope and would be on all CinemaScope films. So, to get around this, they came up with the name Regalscope. It didn't last long, however, when black and white started creeping in again at some influential studio "A" directors. So CinemaScope became more "flexible."

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John Pytlak
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Original specifications were for 4-track magnetic sound only. Scope devolved to mag-optical, then optical only.

http://www.widescreenmuseum.com/widescreen/cinemascope.htm

http://www.widescreenmuseum.com/widescreen/cinemascoperef.htm

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Ray Derrick
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You know, there was a time when cinema sound was leading-edge technology, then it "devolved" (as John so eloquently puts it) because of cheap-minded cinema exhibitors. Shame, shame. No wonder television took over.

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David Stambaugh
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Showing off the "goods" may not attract new customers. But at least it reminds and reinforces for the hardcore movie regulars that there's no substitute for the cinema experience of "Film Done Right".

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