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Author Topic: New ETS Can locks Darryl Spicer Film God Posts: 3250 From: Lexington, KY, USA Registered: Dec 2000 posted 07-08-2003 06:40 PM                    I didn't have to cut mine I just pulled them thru the slot and opened the can. So when I break the film down and send it out it will look as if I put new tabs on it. There is no security in the way they put them on there.  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 07-08-2003 07:29 PM                        How would a theatre know that the cans were supposed to arrive with these seals intact and that something would be amiss if they were not? And what is to prevent a would-be film pirate from re-attaching his own seals? It's not as if the theatre is going to compare a list of serial numbers from ETS with actual serial numbers on the seals. In any case, I hate these things. In addition to being largely ineffective (except maybe for the padlock), they're often difficult to remove. I have on several occasions found myself in a booth (usually one where films are shown only occasionally) without a knife or pair of scissors and have wasted a good 10-15 minutes trying to get the TES-style seals off so that I could open the cans.  |  IP: Logged William T. Parr Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 823 From: Cedar Park, TX Registered: Nov 2000 posted 07-08-2003 07:40 PM                     Both of my prints of T 3 showed up with those damned security clasp's on them. It took me a bit to get them off so I could build my prints up. ended up destroying mine so I hope they do not expect them to be put back on when shipped out.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 07-08-2003 07:45 PM                     John, you misread my humorous post above. Daryl clarified. Let's get some ideas going here. Since transportation is such a security issue, what is the best way to seal the cans back up for return shipment to the depot? Super glue? Welding?  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 07-08-2003 08:02 PM                        Welding is not good enough since pirates WILL be able to blowtorch their way through and steal trillions of dollars from our industry while we all die penniless and unentertained. I think that they should just stop making movies, that way there is nothing to pirate. Although I think the pirating of actual film prints is an issue, I don't think it is what the MPAA should be regarding with utmost urgency. Instead they should focus on screener tapes and DVDs that go out well before the prints do and are of a much higher quality than any dupe from a print can be. This is where most pirated copies come from. Don't blame the theaters!  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 07-08-2003 08:24 PM                        My ideas: CAP Code is already available for film prints, and often used on multiple reels. The man-readable number does not have to be printed, making it hard to find, except by the FBI when they track any pirated video. A Watermarking CAP Code system needs to be developed to UNIQUELY identify each screener tape or DVD sent. Kodak Digital Watermarking technology could be applied, as it cannot be removed or altered, no matter how the illegal copies are made (The watermarking would work even if shooting a video display with a camera, as it is an integral part of the image itself): Kodak Digital Watermarking Anyone who lets their screener fall into the wrong hands would be held accountable. The cases could be secured with strong combination locks, with the combinations sent to the theatre via fax or e-mail. -------------------------------------------------------------- New addition 10:10 pm: Just did a web search on film piracy. They are PROSECUTING pirates. Here's what happened to someone who pirated a screener of "The Hulk": http://www.zap2it.com/movies/news/story/0,1259,---17528,00.html http://money.cnn.com/2003/06/25/news/companies/hulk/ http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/base/news-9/105746008543050.xml [ 07-08-2003, 10:13 PM: Message edited by: John Pytlak ]  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 07-08-2003 10:12 PM                        I would like to know how this watermarking works exactly (I looked at the site and got bored because it didn't tell me what I wanted to know in the first 5 seconds I was there). I don't expect you to divulge how it works, but it is interesting.  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 07-08-2003 10:16 PM                        Joe...you get bored too easily. Here's the basics: How Kodak Digital Watermarking Works For those with a short attention span, here's an animated overview: Kodak Digital Watermarking Animation  |  IP: Logged Paul G. Thompson The Weenie Man Posts: 4718 From: Mount Vernon WA USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 07-08-2003 10:41 PM                     Brad and the rest of you guys...stick a big screwdriver in between the wires, wedge the tip against the film can with the shank on the plastic part, wind yourself up and give it a big "wang"....it'll come loose.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 07-08-2003 10:53 PM                     Just like CAP code, there just has to be a point where the dupe quality is so crappy that the watermark or CAP code is rendered useless. Of course no one would want to watch such a tape, but in all fairness, there HAS to be a point. So how bad can the picture be degraded and still pull the watermark? That would be interesting to see examples of intentionally degraded images that held the code intact.  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 07-08-2003 10:58 PM                        AFAIK, the image would be virtually unwatchable before the Kodak Digital Watermark cannot be decoded.  |  IP: Logged Greg Routenburg Expert Film Handler Posts: 178 From: Toronto, ON, Canada Registered: May 2003 posted 07-09-2003 01:33 AM                     I recall a story that was flying around Toronto theatres about two ushers that were stupid enough to steal a print of SWEP II and sell it on e-bay to an FBI sting. They were actually stupid enough to drive into the US to deliver it and were they were picked up and arrested. I never confirmed this story but it sounded plausable. At any rate, there really isn't a whole lot that can be done if people decide to steal a print while in transport even if they do have silly little tags on them. I'm kinda glad it happened to a Lucas Film though as there is no other film producer I loath more then him. I almost wish they got away with it.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 07-09-2003 01:46 AM                        The site does not tell me how this is done. It just says that it is invisible and uses special software to extract it. Let's put this to the test. Send me an image file via e-mail that has something watermarked in it. Let's say my name. I will tamper with the image file and send it back. You extract the watermark. Of course you must prove that you got the watermark from the copy I sent back.  |  IP: Logged Jack Ondracek Film God Posts: 2348 From: Port Orchard, WA, USA Registered: Oct 2002 posted 07-09-2003 02:33 AM                        Why not just destroy the print when we're done. Have the studios provide a vial of some chemical that reduces the print to a glob the size of one of those shrink-it sponges. Send that back to them in a post office CD pack so that Kodak can extract all the essential recyclable elements of another 12,000 feet or so of print stock & be done with it. Then, we can burn (or safely dispose of in an environmentally sensitive fashion) those blasted new cardboard print boxes they seem to be so fond of ...Have a nice day!  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 07-09-2003 06:40 AM                        Joe: As noted on the Kodak website, the Kodak Digital Watermarking technology has already been tested independently by the standardized "Stirmark" test, and scored the highest of any available technology (98%) : http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/stirmark.html Technical details ("Data Embedding Using Phase Dispersion") are in the published paper and Kodak patents: Kodak: Data Embedding Using Phase Dispersion Sorry you were too "bored" to read them.  |  IP: Logged

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