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Topic: Horizontal Movement On Strong Millennium
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Tony Bandiera Jr
Film God
Posts: 3067
From: Moreland Idaho
Registered: Apr 2004
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posted 02-06-2009 02:23 PM
quote: Steve Guttag
Tony...the extra friction on the framing came from when they sealed up the INTERMITTENT CAM to the frame...that red O-ring...not the framing shaft itself.
Steve
True, but that added friction from the intermittent cam seal actually makes the framing mechanism have a better feel, and the friction from the cam seal is slight compared to that from the framing shaft. So they score one point for the cam seal, but lose two for the shaft seal and the shit handle. ![[thumbsdown]](graemlins/thumbsdown.gif)
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<snip>The intermittents are way inferior to older Simplex manufactured movements anad thats the critical basis of any projector. The extra friction on the framing shaft is simply not needed to seal in static oil and is way too high, so much so that I have seen countless "O" rings extruded right out from under the back washer thats supposed to keep it in place... in fact an "O" ring is to be in a groove to function properly... so where's the groove... smart techs will continue to use the flat rubber washers from Wolk and install a lighter tension spring or cut off a couple of turns as Tony does. The flat washers seal just fine and I also agree on spending much on engineering/tooling to save basically nothing... something they've repeatedly done over the years.
Oh yeah, I had forgotten how crappy the intermittents are..and the factory rebuild service is worse. I sent one in for rebuild, it came back with a lot of slop in the flywheel shaft, a NON-VKF sprocket, and a paint job that looked like it was done with a steel broom. That insult cost over $1,100.00 and it was shit. I'll try to take a pic of it. I now rebuild them myself for a lot less money and get far better results.
Exactly on the o-ring issues..again, I wonder who the hell makes these stupid decisions there, trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist in the first place.
quote: Mark Gulbrandsen
Another good example.. take a look at the fine balance and dynamics and reliability of an old "Strong Toledo" manufactured Super Trooper and compare it to the pile of crap they been calling a Super Trooper for the last 15 years. What a piece of junk it is.
Thanks for the reminder..I had worked with both styles at Knott's Berry Farm and for sure the new ones sucked big time. I almost threw one of the new ones off the roof by Reflection Lake during a fireworks show.
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Steve Guttag
We forgot the crackers Gromit!!!
Posts: 12814
From: Annapolis, MD
Registered: Dec 1999
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posted 02-07-2009 08:07 AM
John,
As for the missing stripper...yup...ever since they accommodated the Century turret on the PR-1060, they raised the upper feed and stripped the stripper! However, the reason for the milled place and tapped holes is that the upper-feed assemby is the same as the one used on the PR-1014, PR-1020 and PR-1030. As such, the make it as they always have, and then add an additional process for a turret machine by cutting the top off.
As for fire shutters...they are not available on the Simplex turret machines but have been available for Centurys, and Simplex single lens machines. In fact, they are standard on the PR-1020/1030 studio machines. Most exhibitors though would rip them out if they came standard on cinema machines...all it takes is one moron to pinch the fire shutter putting the trap back in and they'd start losing shows. To this day, we have some customers with them and some with out and they are maintained if they are in (and the customer is aware of them, their purpose and has people that know how to not damage them).
Steve
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Tony Bandiera Jr
Film God
Posts: 3067
From: Moreland Idaho
Registered: Apr 2004
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posted 02-08-2009 04:05 PM
quote: Monte L Fullmer
wobbly shutter bearings?
Not likely. They don't wear that badly, never seen any go bad really, except for the small one in the gear compartment end, it would freeze or get sticky and wear the end of the shutter shaft so the shaft spins in the bearing. When replacing it, I would use a file and put a few fine scores lengthwise on the shaft end so it would bite into the new bearing without slipping.
On a related note, if a Simplex ever gets travel ghost on both the top AND bottom of light text, that means the spring washer under the drive gear in the shutter assembly is shot. If you watch closely with the machine running you can see the shutter shaft bouncing in and out. The reason the double ghosting appears is because the bouncing makes the shutter timing jump from early to late. I rebuild those drives and have a few available on a repair-exchange basis.
quote: Eric Robinson
The shutter blade could be a culprit as well, the employees were white screening it a while back by manually turning the lamp switch on a minute before the show, (repeatedly), because they had trouble striking the bulb at the beginning of a show, because the bulb was nearly dead and they were too dumb to put a new one in.
I think that's the problem then..bet one or more of the shutter blades is warped. Take off the shutter cover and turn the machine over by hand and see if any of the blades are bent, warped or burned. If so, get a new shutter.
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