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Bill Gabel
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In the press notes for Spy Kids 3D. They have included about 5 1/2 pages called "A Quick History of 3D and Where the Spy Kids take it".

Here is a small excerpt from the notes.

When Robert Rodriguez decided to make the third SPY KIDS installment a 3D experience, his first thought was that he'd have to start by inventing an entirely new 3D camera from scratch - one that would use the high-definition digital video that gives him the stylish flexibility that has become his trademark. To his astonishment, Rodriguez then discovered that a much better version of the camera he was designing already existed!

In fact, director James Cameron had commissioned the creation of just such a versatile camera for his groundbreaking 3D documentary "Ghosts of the Abyss". Cameron's camera essentially fused two high-definition video lenses (separated by the interocular distance of 2.5 inches) together into one unit. Although never used for a fictional film before, let alone a family film, the camera offered a lot of what Rodriguez had dreamed about, and more. The camera was even designed with a unique ability to cross its lenses, rather like human eyes crossing, in order to reduce eyestrain for the 3D viewer. Most of all, it was extremely adaptable system. "Leave it to Jim to go where no one has gone before in designing this amazing new system. Once you've shot your movie with the two cameras, you can release it a number of ways. The same movie can then be used in IMAX, at a theme park, in theatres with anaglyphic 3D glasses, or even on a flat television screen without the 3D," say Rodriguez. "You have all the options."

"The first concern on any 3D project is the fact that you're flying blind," Rodriguez says. "As a filmmaker you are unable to see what you are capturing on the set, which is crucal to capturing great 3D. That's why other 3D movies are so static. They had to lock down the cameras, choose a convergence point, and then let it ride. A lot of 3D movies rarely work because of the 'shoot it blind' way of working. Not so with this new system. Because we were shooting in high-deffinition, we were able to install a unique monitoring system at the Austin, Texas studio: a four-foot by three-foot high-definition 3D projection screen that allowed us to see exactly what the finished image would look like in astonishing clarity as long as we were wearing our 3D glasses!" This set-up allowed Rodriguez to focus on two of the most essential elements of 3D filmmaking:convergence and focus. Convergence refers to the point of focus at which two images cross. By using convergence, the filmmaker can determine if an object will appear to be behind the screen, in front of the screen, or somewhere in between. This was essential to creating the sensation of flying Spy Kids, floating robot heads, hurtling toads, spewing lava balls, zooming high-speed vehicles and glowing staffs that pierce right through the screen.

Shooting in 3D further spurred Rodriguez to consider all kinds of visual elements in greater detail- especially the use of color and perspective. Early 3D effects from the 1950s appeared in black and white . Polychromatic 3D images are still a new frontier, and require extreme care in color-correction. Rodriguez used real-time color correction that allowed him to correct each frame's colors to his eye's satisfaction instantly. But one thing Rodriguez had to get used to was the idea that the use of his absolute favorite design color-primary red-had to be limited (no red light gets through the blue lens of the anaglyphic glasses). "To me red is a color that pops out and I really like to use a lot of it, but when you're wearing anaglyphic glasses, you can't see true red, so I had to start thinking differently. I learned to like purples," he notes. "Eventually, Idiscovered so much about how different shapes and colors would appear in 3D that I realized I was going to have to design a lot of the costumes myself, it was not only a lot faster for me than having to explain it all to someone else, it was also probably the most fun job on the set."

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Jeff Joseph
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<Early 3D effects from the 1950s appeared in black and white>

Um, really? House of Wax? Dial M For Murder? Kiss Me Kate? Those b/w movies??

Jeff

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Peter Kerchinsky
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Jeff
Or how about these B/W 3-D movies
"Charge at Feather River", the classic "Bwana Devil", Tarza, Son of Cochise", "Gun Fury", and "Hondo".
Must have seen those blitzed!

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Bernie Anderson Jr
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I remember an early press release for the Imax 3-D process. It stated that Polaroid 3-D was a new process. I guess nobody bothered to check the fact that it had been around since the mid-thirties!

Doesn't anybody do research anymore, or do they just assume that nobody will catch their fabrications?

Whether it gives a slight illusion of depth or not, I'm afraid this anaglyph 3-D release will be yet another nail in 3-D's coffin. I'm so glad that SabuCat is doing the World 3-D Film Expo. At least people will have an opportunity to experience the overall high quality of 1950's dual-strip Polaroid 3-D.

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Andrew Lee
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Bernie,

I agree with your last point. Anaglyph 3D is indeed a step backwards. Mid-thirties on the Polaroid 3D.....can you double check that.

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Bernie Anderson Jr
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The Polaroid process was developed in the mid-thirties, and premiered on film at the 1939 World's Fair in New York. The inaugural film short MOTOR RHYTHM, will be screening on September 12 (with House of Wax) at the World 3-D Expo.

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John Pytlak
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"Motor Rhythm" and other shorts:

http://www.3dfilmfest.com/shorts.php

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Michael Brown
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So....

What does a 3D print look like if you are not wearing the glasses?

Are all 35mm prints of Spy Kids 3 in the 3D format, or are there regular prints also?

I mean what happens if a second run cinema gets a print, will a box of 3D glasses ALWAYS be sent out with the prints.

What happens if a cinema gets a print in the future (years ahead), but they don't get sent a box of glasses? Will they have to cancel the screening?

I mean come on, it is evident from reading this board etc that DTS discs are often not shipped with prints, so how likely is it that the film studio will remember to ship out a box of 3D glasses every time a print is shown.

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John Hawkinson
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red/blue 3D glasses are generally available...just procure them yourself.

--jhawk

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Jack Ondracek
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quote:
... it is evident from reading this board etc that DTS discs are often not shipped with prints, so how likely is it that the film studio will remember to ship out a box of 3D glasses every time a print is shown.

I can't remember ever receiving a print that had DTS discs missing. It's likely that the the posts you recall are from secondary-run houses, and the original theatre didn't put the discs back in the can.

We received a letter from the studio today, advising that glasses are on the way. How they'll deal with the secondary markets... I don't know.

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Adam Martin
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Here are a couple of sample of what polarized 3D looks like without glasses.

Both left eye and right eye images are evident on screen. The closer the image appears to the viewer in 3D, the greater the separation of the images without the glasses. The farther away from the viewer the 3D image appears, the more the two images will converge.

Pick out individual parts of the images below to see what I'm talking about. A good example is the photo of the ceiling of the hut, where the support post gets closer to the camera and the images diverge.

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With polarized 3D as seen above, the image on screen appears in true colour, where anaglyphic 3D tints the image to match the coloured glasses.

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Tim Turner
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Jack Ondracek said;
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I can't remember ever receiving a print that had DTS discs missing.
Interesting that you should say that, since our print of Spy Kids 3D did not come with DTS discs! [Razz] And as far as I know the glasses arrived at the last minute.

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Bill Carter
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I'm being told that:
1. The glasses will be shipped by Technicolor.
2. Miramax will "decide" how many will be allocated to each theater.
3. Neither party is sure what will happen if you "use up" your allocated glasses.

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Jack Ondracek
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quote:
our print of Spy Kids 3D did not come with DTS discs! And as far as I know the glasses arrived at the last minute.

That's interesting, Tim... but, isn't the film releasing NEXT Friday? You sure got your print early.

Are your Technicolor prints shipping out of the Ontario plant?

I'd wonder if maybe Technicolor tracks theatres that (they think) have DTS, but we get them at the drive-in... and there's no such animal there.

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Tim Turner
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We ran a sneak, in both DLP and 35mm a couple days ago. A local radio station promoted it.

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