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Author Topic: Strange way to pack a print. Carl Martin Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1424 From: Oakland, CA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 08-13-2003 02:57 AM                        why anyone would wind a print like that (inner diameter of a pencil) is beyond me. if you've ever dealt with something wound that way, and allowed to sit a bit, you know that it will coil itself into a mess on its way into the platter brain and break or cause a wrap. it's not as if you're saving any room doing it like that. the film displaced by a core would add negligibly to the outer diameter of the roll. are cores scarce or something? carl  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 08-13-2003 06:01 AM                        A roll with severe "clockspring" like that is also almost impossible to focus, as it will not lie flat in the projector gate. Even trailers should be wound on cores, hopefully with at least a 3-inch (75mm) minimum hub diameter. Every roll of raw stock film comes with a new core, so there should be no shortage of cores in the world.  |  IP: Logged Bill Langfield Master Film Handler Posts: 280 From: Prospect, NSW, Australia Registered: Apr 2001 posted 08-13-2003 04:03 PM                        Carl: quote: why anyone would wind a print like that (inner diameter of a pencil) is beyond me. if you've ever dealt with something wound that way, and allowed to sit a bit, you know that it will coil itself into a mess on its way into the platter brain and break or cause a wrap Sorry Carl, I should have explained that better. By winding directly to to the the rewinder, I meant to the breakdown plate or split reel that you normally put the core/bobbin onto. After shipping its almost impossible to get the reel onto the the break-down plate, a good idea would be to simply pull a foot or so of leader/tail from the centre, but half the time there is no tail - just the movie itself - It amazes me (1) they just cant put some junked trailer head/tail in there. Your right it does look a mess when that coiled up film enters the brain, but Im amazed (2) that it all sort of figures itself out, as long as there is no old tape to make it skick and wrap around. Thankfully, our Bollywood season has been put back to October. Perhaps that the places that started before us have been having trouble?? John: quote: Every roll of raw stock film comes with a new core, so there should be no shortage of cores in the world Agreed, John, hence my request for an Indian projection to explain why they do this. Bill.  |  IP: Logged Carl Martin Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1424 From: Oakland, CA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 08-13-2003 07:47 PM                        ah, so you mean it has an inner diameter of an inch or less, with no core. that's pretty common for trailers, i'm afraid. it can still result in undesireable coiling. and unfortunately, i've seen many examples of what i described, the trailer apparently having been wrapped around a knitting needle or something similar. the only thing to do is give it a tight wind the other way and let it sit for a while. carl  |  IP: Logged Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 08-14-2003 07:20 AM                        quote: However, Wait until you get Bollywood prints. Packed in 1000ft cans... You obviously encountered one of the better Bollywood labs. Cans?! You're lucky to get them. The last Bollywood film I showed arrived in three Safeways (supermarket) carrier bags, pencil-wound as described, and with all the heads and tails in a separate bag! No ID frames or anything like that, and given that my Hindi isn't particularly good I had great fun guessing what order the reels went in... There again, I get the impression that Indian film handling practices aren't exactly state of the art. There was a recent enquiry on the AMIA list which made my jaw drop. It was from an Indian DoP who wanted advice on how to make his worn-out cut camera negative printable again. He'd struck approx. 300 prints directly contact printed from the camera negative, Scotchgarding it as well at some point in its life. It was now worn to the point of being unprintable and he wanted advice on restoration. I always wondered why Bollywood prints tended to look pretty sharp - now I know why!  |  IP: Logged

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