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Author Topic: Freddy vs Jason Anti-Piracy Measures John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 08-30-2003 02:19 AM                     These oversize CAP dots seem to only be an issue on Deluxe lab work; has anyone seen differently? It's probably appropriate for someone to raise the issue to Deluxe. Are these the same dots seen in the What are these spots? thread? John P., you're probably the best person to do so. What data do you need that you don't already have? --jhawk  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 08-30-2003 03:17 AM                     It's not quite as bad as your example, but it's REALLY annoying. If I get the opportunity, I'll try and do a single frame grab of a recent CAP code example from a Deluxe print.  |  IP: Logged Mike Heenan Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1896 From: Scottsdale, AZ, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 08-30-2003 10:42 AM                     I saw these dots on our print of Legally Blonde 2, they were as annoying as they were in Freddy vs Jason when I saw it.  |  IP: Logged Michael Brown Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1522 From: Bradford, England Registered: May 2001 posted 08-30-2003 10:59 AM                     Saw them as plain as day on Freddy Vs Jason. Groups of red/orange dots. (one one reel mid film) Never seen them at all before though.  |  IP: Logged Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 08-30-2003 12:35 PM                        If everyone who gets prints with these obviously glaring marks would call up and reported defective reels and demand replacement reels for them, perhaps the studios would get the hint and reconsider putting invisible or barely visible CAPs on the prints as was the original concept. Do you think the prints they use at the "star studded" premieres have orange and red dots all over them? I think not. Frank  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 08-30-2003 07:37 PM                        Various anti-piracy codes are in use. The decision as to which code(s) to use are decided by the distributor, the MPAA, and the lab. The labs are certainly aware of how visible a particular code may be, since they are the ones who are printing it. Kodak has no say in which code(s) are used on any particular release. The original CAP Code developed by Kodak in 1982 tried to be as unobtrusive as possible, yet still survive typically poor video duplication or any attempt to defeat or spoof the code. By being unobtrusive, it could be repeated hundreds of time per reel and printed on every reel. The man-readable edge number was optional, and has been used less since the advent of SDDS.  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 08-30-2003 07:55 PM                     Frank said "If everyone who gets prints with these obviously glaring marks would call up and reported defective reels and demand replacement reels for them, perhaps the studios would get the hint and reconsider putting invisible or barely visible CAPs on the prints as was the original concept. " I doubt they would replace it since they choose that style of marking. Probably they will just bill you for the minimum and yank the print back  |  IP: Logged Thomas Procyk Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1842 From: Royal Palm Beach, FL, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 08-31-2003 09:56 AM                     If the CAP codes are specific to the print numbers, just switch and swap a bunch of reels if you get multiple prints of a feature. That will fix 'em! Heck, I used to do that anyway to get a print all-heads or all-tails. =TMP=  |  IP: Logged Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 08-31-2003 10:35 AM                        John said: quote: The decision as to which code(s) to use are decided by the distributor, the MPAA, and the lab. Figures the MPAA is involved in this feasco. Their never-ending campaign to make piracy the singular issue that will bring the industry to the brink of bankrupcy, not to mention making Jack (It's-A-Cancer-In-The-Belly-Of-The-Industry) Valenti's job seem relevant, allows them to be oblivious as to how these visible CAP marks ruin presentation -- who cares, as long as we stop PIRATES. Obviously if you conjure up this piracy mirage as be-all and end-all, well, hell, who cares if it ruins the work of hundreds of actors, technicians, the director, the DP and everyone else listed in the credit crawl -- to say nothing of the AUDIENCE! On the one hand there is the bogus argument against film because after a few passes "it gets all dirty and scratchy and no longer 'pristine'", so chuck the projector and install DLP; on the other hand, these same people don't seem to mind that they purposely put BIG FREAKIN RED DOTS all over the image. What are these people on crack?! Frank  |  IP: Logged Pravin Ratnam Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 844 From: Atlanta, GA,USA Registered: Sep 2002 posted 08-31-2003 05:09 PM                     I thought the red specks were intentional subliminal blood drop shots like you see in FIght Club. So it was copy protection?  |  IP: Logged Mike Olpin Chop Chop! Posts: 1852 From: Dallas, TX Registered: Jan 2002 posted 08-31-2003 11:22 PM                     What if we just removed the offending frames? (j/k)  |  IP: Logged Mike Heenan Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1896 From: Scottsdale, AZ, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 08-31-2003 11:27 PM                     Pravin, that's what I thought at first too, it would have been a cool effect maybe, but obviously that's not the case.  |  IP: Logged Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 09-01-2003 12:27 PM                        As far as I am concerned, it's a defective print and should be returned for a replacement. Frank  |  IP: Logged Paul Konen Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 981 From: Frisco, TX. (North of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 09-02-2003 12:38 PM                     Maybe I haven't noticed them (CAP CODES) before, but now it almost as natural to see them as it is to see the changeover cues. The are really large brown dots that happen during scene changes. Now, it makes it really hard to watch a movie without being distracted by these marks. Paul  |  IP: Logged Michael Brown Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1522 From: Bradford, England Registered: May 2001 posted 09-02-2003 12:48 PM                     For me Freddy Vs Jason is the only film where I have seen any dots.  |  IP: Logged

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