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Frank Angel
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Cool. [Big Grin]

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Steve Scott
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I use format 03 for Moviefone ads in our Dolby auditoriums. My CP500's like to matrix some HF dialouge peaks into the surrounds in 04 or 05 with those spots, and it leads up to the feature material better as the surrounds are added after the spot.

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John Pytlak
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Dan Sherlock of Media Technology Consulting asked me to post this:

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I noticed the discussion about "Film Sound - history and technical details" on the film handler's forum at film-tech.com. A comment was brought up by Frank Angel about a process he believed "multichannel soundtrack based on the three emulsion colors, each color recording a single channel." Folks on the forum thought it might have been the Colortek system by John Mosley. I believe what he was referring to was an experimental variable-hue system developed by Petro Vlahos rather than by John Mosley (who did read the paper about the process at the "Film 75" conference in London.) The system did not use "each color recording a single channel" but rather recorded a push-pull style signal that varied the hue between red and cyan. Three side-by-side color tracks were used to give a three track sound system. The system is described in the September 1975 issue of American Cinematographer, which ironically also had an article describing the development of the Dolby Stereo optical print format. Of course, the variable hue format was incompatible with regular sound readers and required dual-inventory prints, which was part of what ensured its lack of success.

By the way, just to introduce myself -- I am the author of the "Wide Screen Movies Corrections" document that is on the "Tips" area on the film-tech.com web site. That document describes the many errors in the book "Wide Screen Movies" by Robert E. Carr and R.M. Hayes. I am chasing down some additional details and hope to release an updated version in the near future. At the present time, it is about 50% larger than the older version (which says something about how many errors there were in that book.) Anyway, I have been a "lurker" at the film-tech.com site for quite a while now, and since nobody seemed to clear up the "color modulated" subject, and since you have a good historical background on the subject, I thought I would pass on this info to you.

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Dan Sherlock
Systems Engineer
Film Format Historian
Member, SMPTE & BKSTS


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Michael Coate
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A little late in my reply....

quote: Ken Lackner
So Woody Allen films are technically SR, right?
Yes, beginning with, I believe, Alice (1990).

Beginning with Everyone Says I Love You (1996), some or all of the digital formats have been used (though in a 1.0 mono format).

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quote: Martin Brooks
Popeye was released in Vistasonic
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The Vistasonics I remember was used on another picture [besides] Popeye and there were a number of experiements around the SF bay area.
quote: Martin Brooks
My notes do say that it played at five theaters in that format in NY, Los Angeles and Chicago.
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I am unaware if this system was ever used commercially.
To summarize Vistasonic, Popeye (1980) and Dragonslayer (1981) were the two feature films released. The theatres equipped for Vistasonic playback were:

CALIFORNIA
Los Angeles: Mann Chinese
Los Angeles: Mann National
San Diego: Pacific Cinerama
San Francisco: Plitt Northpoint
San Francisco: Blumenfeld Regency III

ILLINOIS
Chicago: Plitt Woodfield

MASSACHUSETTS
Boston: Sack Cheri

NEW YORK
New York: Walter Reade Baronet
New York: Loews Orpheum
New York: Loews State

PENNSYLVANIA
Philadelphia: Sameric Mark I

One of the developers of Vistasonic was Terry Beard, who would go on to be one of the key people involved with DTS.

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