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Author Topic: I've Never Used FILMGUARD Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-01-2004 03:24 AM                        I just started using my first shipment of the latest type of media pads, and on my lower set of rollers, the #%$ media won't track properly after about half-way through the movie. They run fine for about an hour, then start to go sideways. If I don't keep pushing the media back into line, it winds out past the end of the takeup shaft and eventually falls off of the film-contacting roller. If it wasn't happening halfway thru the roll, I'd think the takeup roller was out of line, but WTF?? I'll try to get a picture of this phenom tomorrow and post it. Anyone else had this happen?  |  IP: Logged Carl Martin Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1424 From: Oakland, CA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 03-01-2004 03:29 AM                        back when we were using the stuff, this would sometimes happen. it seemed to correlate with how well the new media was initially wound onto the core. as i got more adept at doing this, it happened less often. my impression is that another generic brand of media (possibly cpi?) performed a little bit better in this regard. curious how it would wind fine for a while before going apeshit. can't explain that part. carl  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 03-01-2004 03:58 AM                     Mike, do the cores you have say "Film-Tech" on them? Also, are you sure you are taping the lead end down straight? Finally, have you checked to make sure the cleaner is indeed lined up straight with the projector? CPI does not make media. We have also seen terrible winding and scratching issues from Big Sky media samples recently.  |  IP: Logged Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 03-01-2004 09:08 AM                        Is FG not to be used on mag prints?  |  IP: Logged Jack Ondracek Film God Posts: 2348 From: Port Orchard, WA, USA Registered: Oct 2002 posted 03-01-2004 10:53 AM                        quote: We have also seen terrible winding and scratching issues from Big Sky media samples recently Does Big Sky know about this? They've been pretty responsive lately to any issues I've brought up with them.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-01-2004 01:16 PM                        Brad- I haven't looked closely at the cores but they should say Film-Tech, since they came out of a Film-Tech sealed box! (I bought'em from Claco.) The cleaner is platter-mounted. I might have gotten the end of this roll on a bit crooked. I'll try another roll and report back.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 03-01-2004 03:38 PM                     FG is fine on mag prints. You will see better reproduction when using it. Big Sky is not our product. We had some reports that came in last fall of seeing scratches and they were all traced back to BS media. The scratching stopped when they used some FT media samples we traded them for some BS media samples. Indeed our own tests found scratching on those pads was an issue. But again, not our product. About 6 months ago we switched over to a new core which has "Film-Tech" printed into the core itself. The new core has a slightly different design to aleviate winding issues. Depending on dealer stock and the luck of the draw, it is possible some people are still receiving the older cores. Most dealers should be completely switched over or very close to being phased out of the older cores.  |  IP: Logged Thomas Procyk Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1842 From: Royal Palm Beach, FL, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 03-12-2004 01:04 PM                     So... what about flipping the media and using the other side of the pads? Not reccomended? =TMP=  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 03-12-2004 01:29 PM                        I would assume the key issue is whether the media pads get loaded with enough abrasive dirt that they risk scratching the film. A really large hard particle could "poke through" to the other side. Scratching from a buildup of abrasive dirt particles was always a risk when the media cleaners were run dry.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 03-12-2004 02:16 PM                     Flipping the pads over doesn't do much simply because the "clean" side is winding up against the "dirty" side anyway. If you are running the media dry, never, ever reuse the media, flip it over, rewind it, etc. You can only get more passes out of it if you are running the media with FG.  |  IP: Logged Ken McFall Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 615 From: Haringey, London. Registered: Apr 2001 posted 03-13-2004 07:33 AM                     I have nothing but praise for Filmguard and it does exactly what it claims. I run 9 vic 5's and no longer get any buildup in the gate or runners and no dust. The prints look as good as the first run. We've just finished running ROTK from December 16 until last Thursday and the rpint was ecellent. The only thing I will not do is re use the media pads. However I can get nearly eight hours out of each new set of pads.... After each feature I cut off the used length and throw it away. The take-up roller is run at a constant speed so as the media is taken up the diameter increases and the speed the media is pulled through increases. Cutting it off after each faeture ensures the slowest, safest speed and longest run time.  |  IP: Logged Thomas Procyk Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1842 From: Royal Palm Beach, FL, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 03-19-2004 01:27 PM                     Ken -- Good point! The thought had crossed my mind, but it's true that you may be using more media than necessary as the takeup roll gets fuller/pulls faster. Brad -- I would only consider flipping the pads to use at the makeup table on a heavily soiled used print, just to get the "bulk" off of it. And only if we're completely out of clean/new pads, as we are now, and as have been "ordered" for the past three months. (according to he who places orders) =TMP=  |  IP: Logged

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