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Author Topic: Filmguard on 16mm work prints? Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-15-2004 12:07 AM                        Besides, if you are squirting the FG into the pads while they're on the cleaner, it would be awful ahrd to keep track of how much FG you've squirted. Seat-of-the-pants works best.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 03-15-2004 12:10 AM                     quote: CELEBRATING 25 YEARS IN THE MOVIE BUSINESS - March 14, 1979 - March 14, 2004 Wow, congratulations Mike!  |  IP: Logged Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 03-15-2004 01:34 AM                        quote: If you follow the instructions and aren't using super cheap splicing tape, then FG won't have an effect. If the tape is low quality or you are dousing the film, then it can loosen tape splices. I'm using Jack Roe tape, which I've never had any quality issues with. I generally apply FG by hand, using a 5" square Selvyt cloth, applying one squirt per 400 feet of 16mm approx; two if the element is especially dirty. I would guess that I'm winding at about 100 to 150 feet per minute, and pass the film through the cloth applying very light pressure with thumb and forefinger. I then wind the reel a second time through a dry Selvyt to take off the excess. I have frequently found that a few days after application, tape splices will loosen enough to risk coming apart in a projector or telecine mechanism, usually in the gate. If I understand Christian correctly, he's talking about workprints running on a Steenbeck - i.e. a continous motion film path which (unless the element has a combined optical track, which a workprint won't) does not apply any significant pressure to the film. This is a very different scenario to running release prints running through a projector. I, too, have never had any joins come apart when running Filmguarded 16mm elements on a Steenbeck, but I have in projection.  |  IP: Logged Alain LeTourneau Film Handler Posts: 37 From: Portland, OR Registered: Jan 2004 posted 03-15-2004 12:34 PM                        Leo: It looks to me that Christian said his splices held on both Steenbeck and projection: "Maybe it depends on the brand of splicing tape and how good the splices were made. I don't know about long time effects, but my films cleaned with FG run through a Steenbeck and most have been projected two or three years after treatment without any problem. " Maybe Christian can chime in and confirm this. I am a little confused by his comment "most have been projected two or three years after treatment". Does that means most of the films projected where 2-3 after treatment, or most of the film projected ok (without splices breaking)? Thanks, Alain  |  IP: Logged Christian Appelt Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 505 From: Frankfurt, Germany Registered: Dec 2001 posted 03-16-2004 03:49 PM                     The work prints on which I used FG have been run on editing equipment as well as in standard theatre projection equipment (like Kinoton FP30, Bauer U4C, Philips DP70, running from platters or 6000ft. reels. Before projection, I always checked the prints on a horizontal rewind table, and all splices were OK, no sign of weakening or edges peeling off. The longest span of time between FG treatment and projection was 3 years, so I feel that FG applied sensibly by hand does not affect tape splices even a few years later. Certainly continuous motion like on a Steenbeck/KEM table or in a telecine machine will be easier on prints and splices, but in projection the WPs were handled like any standard release print and shown at least three times, so this should not account for the good condition of splices. In other words: It seems safe enough for me to use FG on work prints, which usually get scratched easily because of dirt and abrasions on the film.  |  IP: Logged Alain LeTourneau Film Handler Posts: 37 From: Portland, OR Registered: Jan 2004 posted 03-17-2004 09:25 PM                        Thanks for the confirmation Christian. All good information to know. Best, Alain  |  IP: Logged

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