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Author Topic: MGM to go Cyan in May Jack Ondracek Film God Posts: 2348 From: Port Orchard, WA, USA Registered: Oct 2002 posted 03-22-2004 11:48 AM                        We received a fax from Technicolor this morning, making this official as of the May 28 release of "Soul Plane".  |  IP: Logged Ken Layton Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1452 From: Olympia, Wash. USA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 03-22-2004 12:16 PM                     Well, looks like that movie will flop.  |  IP: Logged Daryl C. W. O'Shea Film God Posts: 3977 From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from) Registered: Jun 2002 posted 03-22-2004 02:18 PM                        Ha!  |  IP: Logged Darryl Spicer Film God Posts: 3250 From: Lexington, KY, USA Registered: Dec 2000 posted 03-22-2004 07:12 PM                    I hope they get it right this time and do only the analog track with cyan and not all the tracks like they did on anything else.  |  IP: Logged Daryl C. W. O'Shea Film God Posts: 3977 From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from) Registered: Jun 2002 posted 03-22-2004 07:50 PM                        Why? Dolby has already confirmed that a cyan Dolby Digital track works just as well as a black one. Although I'd imagine that a single dye track might wear faster.  |  IP: Logged Darryl Spicer Film God Posts: 3250 From: Lexington, KY, USA Registered: Dec 2000 posted 03-22-2004 09:51 PM                    Why not? There is no environmental reason to make the SRD track cyan. It never used any silver application so if it ain't broke don't fix it. You most likely will see a drop in focus levels using a white light Dolby Digital reader. That could possably increase the error rates. But I don't know for sure.  |  IP: Logged Steve Kraus Film God Posts: 4094 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 03-23-2004 11:57 PM                    What would be the effect of doing the non-applicated analog track in all layers (YCM)? Should have no detrimental affect on red light readers which only "see" cyan. How many dB would we pick up for white light readers?  |  IP: Logged Thomas Procyk Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1842 From: Royal Palm Beach, FL, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 03-24-2004 12:10 PM                     quote: Although I'd imagine that a single dye track might wear faster. Like the Cyan SDDS track? =TMP=  |  IP: Logged Daryl C. W. O'Shea Film God Posts: 3977 From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from) Registered: Jun 2002 posted 03-24-2004 05:08 PM                        Barely. There are few things that would actually wear on the analog sound track like the SDDS or Dolby Digital tracks. edit: I forgot we were talking about the dolby digital track  |  IP: Logged Dominic Case Expert Film Handler Posts: 131 From: Sydney NSW Australia Registered: Aug 2003 posted 03-24-2004 05:53 PM                       quote: Although I'd imagine that a single dye track might wear faster. No it won't. The top layer on the film is a protective supercoat. Under that is the magenta dye layer, then the cyan one, with the yellow on the bottom. Those layers are there whether they contain dye or not, and whether they contain silver or not. So - firstly - if there is any emulsion damage due to wear, it would remove dye from a high magenta track or a conventional track before it reached the cyan layer. And secondly, there is far less reason for a Dolby SRD track or an analogue track to "wear" than there is for a SDDS track, which is cyan anyway.  |  IP: Logged Daryl C. W. O'Shea Film God Posts: 3977 From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from) Registered: Jun 2002 posted 03-24-2004 06:04 PM                        I don't believe I've ever seen a high magenta Dolby Digital track... only black and cyan ones. So we're short one protected layer of dye... the yellow one. Of course, if you've worn through that many layers the reader is probably going to have a hard time reading it anyway. As for wear, there's definetely far less reason for either of the Dolby Digital or analog tracks from wearing in comparison to the SDDS track, but there still is significantly 'enough reason' for wear of the Dobly Digital track. Preventable wear? You bet, but so are scratches, and we all know those exist. Anyway, I've got no problem with a cyan Dolby Digital track, if for no other reason I like the colour.  |  IP: Logged Darryl Spicer Film God Posts: 3250 From: Lexington, KY, USA Registered: Dec 2000 posted 03-24-2004 06:06 PM                    I think it would be better if the Dolby digital track was not as it is in the above picture. With white light Digital readers it will possably give higher error rates. I don't see why the SRD track would not get just as much wear as the SDDS tracks. They both have to slide through the gate making the same contact to the bands and rails.  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 03-28-2004 10:10 PM                        In color print film, the yellow layer is at the bottom of the emulsion "pack", and is the least sharp and most grainy of the three dye layers. Not a good choice for carrying any of the analog sound record. The topmost magenta layer is the sharpest, with the cyan close to it. Cyan was chosen because of the wide deployment of red LED readers, with a 660nm peak output matching the peak density of the cyan dye. A cyan+magenta track without silver would still have a low signal level on a tungsten reader, because the dyes are quite transparent to infrared. Many theatres have found this when they received a reel that accidently was processed without viscous soundtrack developer being applied. The Dolby Digital track on color prints is dye only (no silver). It is printed with a separate light source in the printer, so its color has nothing to do with how the analog track is printed. Tests are in progress to determine the optimum color balance for the Dolby Digital track.  |  IP: Logged Ted Costas Expert Film Handler Posts: 119 From: Hollywood, CA, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 03-31-2004 02:14 PM                     Did ya all see the article in the Hollywood Reporter on Monday the 22nd. MGM and Disney and making the move, officially. I'm back from Vegas, where I won every bet I placed. Were we going to wager on something here? I'd hate to take your money, but a friendly gentleman's wager might be appropriate... Pick one or all of the below: That more Studios will jump on board? That MGM will have a problem free release of "Soul Plane", like DreamWorks did on "Anything Else"? That the fact that the Studios are stepping up to the plate on this technological change shows the way a successful partnership between Distribution and Exhibition can work? Did I leave anything out? Yours, Ted  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-31-2004 03:40 PM                        Apparently the Cyan Dye Tracks Committee is composed of the only ones in this industry who can get anything changed. Now, as a side project, let's get these same people to get the studios to take the friggin' release dates out of the trailers!  |  IP: Logged

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