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Author Topic: Will DTS XD10 end SDDS? Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-19-2004 07:56 AM                     Hey, and remember there were only three SDDS 8 channel mixes anyway.... thats a number thats hardly noticable to anyone. Mark  |  IP: Logged Michael Schaffer "Where is the Boardwalk Hotel?" Posts: 4143 From: Boston, MA Registered: Apr 2002 posted 05-19-2004 08:21 AM                        There were a couple more... Go to sdds.com > News > SDDS movies, click on "show me 8c only". True, not all were original SDDS8 mixes, but quite of few were.  |  IP: Logged Brad Allen Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 688 From: Evansville, IN, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 05-19-2004 01:35 PM                     Granted the new DTS case's suck, and we get a few that the case's are broken, but have not yet had any problems playing the disks. Nor have we noticed any scratched disks. Luck of the draw?  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-19-2004 07:01 PM                        I had a disk break in half on me. Be careful removing the disks from those cases.  |  IP: Logged Antonio Marcheselli Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1260 From: Florence, Italy Registered: Mar 2000 posted 05-19-2004 07:50 PM                        Brad I know very well that DTS is compressed by aptx100, 4:1. On my post I wrote "DTS 8 channel". As I wrote in another post I already projected few titles in DTS 8 channel. This type of sound has NO compression since it comes in DVD media and dts had more space to achieve no compressed sound. With XD 10 of course. Perhaps dts 8ch will became a standard, perhaps not. But if I'm not wrong the XD10 will replace the 6D. And in few years many theaters will be equipped with an equipment able to playback 8 channels of sound. Perhaps producers will note it and they will start again creating 8 channel soundtracks! Let's dream! Bye A  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 05-19-2004 08:14 PM                     Blah! 70mm prints would be a much better improvement than 8 channel to presentations.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 05-19-2004 09:02 PM                        I agree. 8 channel presentations hardly kick the living hell out of 6 channel presentations. Some of the peeps on this forum will have you believe that having an extra 2 speakers behind da screen results in an amazing life-altering difference. "OMG OMG 8 channel sound! I can't hold my load!! Oh there it goes all over the place!!!! Oh well, 8 channel is worth the mess I just made!!!! OMG!!!!" is what they say. These are the same peeps who claim to hear a gigantic difference in audio encoded at 4032kbps and audio encoded at 4096kbps. They say the difference is amazing, and they can hear more better highs and the like. Then they say they are better than the complete losers who can't hear the mountain-sized difference. The only argument for 8 channel are big screens. And big screens are dead! Get over it! No one likes big screens anymore! 49 feet is way more than enough for any exhibitor! The world hates quality! Cheapness is better! Time for you quality freaks to die.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 05-20-2004 11:37 AM                     quote: Brad Miller Blah! 70mm prints would be a much better improvement than 8 channel to presentations. Why not do both? DTS is still selling those 70mm time code readers aren't they? quote: The only argument for 8 channel are big screens. And big screens are dead! Get over it! No one likes big screens anymore! 49 feet is way more than enough for any exhibitor! Screens much larger than that need 70mm. 35mm shown on a 75' wide screen just looks too damned dim. I don't have the actual list in front of me, but I know there were more than three SDDS-8 releases. "Erin Brockovich," "Ocean's Eleven," "U-571" and "The Perfect Storm" are among recent SDDS-8 films (and all of those have the SDDS 8 Channels logo on their end credits). Steven Soderbergh likes the SDDS-8 format. However, the vast majority of all SDDS tracks are 5.1. And it should be noted the vast majority of all SDDS installations are wired 5.1 as well. Very few theaters out there have the Left Extra and Right Extra stage channels. I remember all the extra work Sony tried to do in marking that difference for the NY and LA stack ads for "Starship Troopers," one of those rare films that had an SDDS-8 track, DTS time code but no Dolby Digital. quote: Aaron Garman Actually, what ever happen to the idea of tactile sound systems? I figured instead of more channels, this would be the next step for motion picture evolution. Sure, you can get them at home and run your subwoofer output into them, but it'd be neat to have a dedicated channel that literally shakes the room. That would be nice. However, it is RARE for me to visit a commercial movie theater these days where the single ".1" channel is working properly. There's a variety of problems. Biggest one: the stadium seated theaters have weak-ass speaker systems not appropriately designed for the size of the room. They need to have speaker/amplification systems more along the lines of what IMAX puts in their houses. But that costs more money and mainstream exhibitors only seem willing to do what's "good enough." Then you have the other issues, such as theaters not replacing blown subwoofer drivers, the sound system has fallen way "out of tune" or the EQ settings have been all jacked to hell --or just the simple problem of the fader being turned way down low to please the folks who complain about the movie being too loud. Movies are supposed to be kinda loud, or at least have impressive and even startling dynamics. Those who want a quiet movie need to stick with their TV and VHS deck. Now, if you want a "tactile" sound system, just watch a movie in Brad's screening room. The sub-bass on that rig produces WIND.  |  IP: Logged Aaron Garman Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1470 From: Toledo, OH USA Registered: Mar 2003 posted 05-20-2004 01:00 PM                     All I need is an invite and directions to the screening room! AJG  |  IP: Logged Michael Schaffer "Where is the Boardwalk Hotel?" Posts: 4143 From: Boston, MA Registered: Apr 2002 posted 05-20-2004 06:13 PM                        Bobby - in addition to blown subwoofer drivers you also come across the problem of completely missing ones (in other words, stolen) often!  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-20-2004 07:25 PM                     "Why not do both? DTS is still selling those 70mm time code readers aren't they?" _________________________________________________________________ Well thats pretty much whats happenning on any new 70mm stuff these days. Its alot more expensive and more difficult to have the prints mag stripped than it was. So most new 70mm prints are going with DTS. Mark  |  IP: Logged Ron Lacheur Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 650 From: British Columbia, Canada Registered: Feb 2002 posted 05-21-2004 02:44 AM                     If a house is already equipped for 6track 70mm with the 5 screen channels, it wouldn't be that big of a deal to install SDDS-8 would it? Buy a used dfp2500 or 3000 and there you go. Searching through the newspapers I was shocked to learn that there hasn't been ANY SDDS-8 presentations here in Vancouver, Unless they just weren't advertized. The possibility could be at Granville #7, which had SDDS installed in there at one time and is also a 70mm house.  |  IP: Logged Michael Schaffer "Where is the Boardwalk Hotel?" Posts: 4143 From: Boston, MA Registered: Apr 2002 posted 05-21-2004 02:59 AM                        We discussed this in chat a while ago - if the SDDS system had had steering capabilities to "upmix" 3 to 5 channels, it would maybe have made a bigger difference and it wouldn`t have been seen by exhibitors as a waste to have the 2 extra channels sitting there silent most of the time. But that would have made the processor more expensive, and since the system was already pricier than the competitors, that apparently wasn`t an option.  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 05-21-2004 06:39 AM                     Now that the CP-650 acknowledges LC and RC...I wouldn't be surprised if they offer the virtual spread mix someday. Steve  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-21-2004 08:04 AM                     "If a house is already equipped for 6track 70mm with the 5 screen channels, it wouldn't be that big of a deal to install SDDS-8 would it? Buy a used dfp2500 or 3000 and there you go." It may well have never happened because there may not be any houses in Vancouver equipped with 5 front screen channels. While there are quite a few houses around here equipped that I know of you'll still find complete large cites without any. Mark  |  IP: Logged

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