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Author Topic: The Crazy Things We Find in Film Cans Don Sneed Master Film Handler Posts: 451 From: Texas City, TX, USA Registered: Aug 2001 posted 06-08-2004 01:40 PM                        When I was a young projectionist in the early 70's, I finish high school in 1973, I wrote inside the can lid Don Sneed Sr. "73", Galveston Texas...about 9-10 yrs latter while working at a drive-in theatre I recieved the same film can with about 20 names & dates written under mine, what is the chances of that happening again, I thought that was too cool back then, I wonder how many names in it now ??  |  IP: Logged William Hooper Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1879 From: Mobile, AL USA Registered: Jun 99 posted 06-09-2004 01:02 AM                        Nitrate's shrinkage issues were a consideration sometimes even before the print hit the projector. The pre-talkies Pathecolor stencil process had to utilize detailed scales for shrinkage of the nitrate stock during the process of cutting stencils & applying color. I've only seen a few examples of Pathecolor on video, but reports from those who've seen examples of it projected are that it was very consistent & good.  |  IP: Logged John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 06-09-2004 02:07 AM                     Was pre-compensation for shrinkage (e.g. use a slightly smaller -sized polyester raw stock) not considered? --jhawk  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 06-09-2004 08:29 AM                        Polyester (ESTAR) base prints are very stable dimensionally, and show little shrinkage during processing or aging. The perforation pitch is still 0.1870 inches (KS-1870 perforations), as you need to maintain the proper relationship on the contact printer sprocket. Consideration could be given to revisiting the diameter of the projector sprockets to optimize wear characteristics, but with the strength of polyester print film perfs, it's probably unnecessary.  |  IP: Logged Dominic Espinosa Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1172 From: California, U.S.A. Registered: Jan 2004 posted 06-10-2004 02:55 AM                     Recently I opened up a Technicolor can and saw the familiar label: "Please return your dts discs" and underneath it a new label: "Fuck You" Oh how the creative solution eludes us...Although I think the name in the can is definitely cool.  |  IP: Logged Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 06-10-2004 07:52 AM                        Stephen: there was a huge amount of training material produced by projectionists in Britain during the time of the nitrate/acetate transition. Among the issues addressed were (i) new cement formulations for making joins, (ii) the need to maintain full scale fire precautions until nitrate had completely disappeared from circulation and (iii) identifying different sorts of element and how not to be fooled by a 'nitrate' or 'safety' edge mark printed through from a previous generation. In stark contrast to the protracted cyan tracks conversion, the trade papers reveal that (in Britain, at least) the nitrate to acetate conversion was pretty rapid: the first prints entered mainstream circulation around November 1949 and nitrate base ceased being imported into the UK by June 1950.  |  IP: Logged Jeff Joseph Expert Film Handler Posts: 131 From: Palmdale, CA, USA Registered: Jun 2000 posted 06-13-2004 01:09 AM                        There were certainly "mixed" prints in this country; I once saw a dye-transfer "Annie Get Your Gun" that was part nitrate, part safety. And there were some nitrate trailers still being used for reissues in late 1950s. In one case, we've got a trailer with a replaced (safety) end title (the issuing company of the film had changed). But the bulk of the trailer is nitrate. Jeff  |  IP: Logged Peter Kerchinsky Master Film Handler Posts: 326 From: Seattle, WA, USA Registered: Jan 2002 posted 06-13-2004 04:47 AM                     In the good old days, we used to find stickers inside the top lid of the film cans asking for your vote for a certain business agent or some union offical. Now, I pray when I open a film can from TES that it's the right film!  |  IP: Logged Mitchell Dvoskin Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1869 From: West Milford, NJ, USA Registered: Jan 2001 posted 06-14-2004 08:31 PM                     From a film can, circa 1976... /Mitchell  |  IP: Logged Jesse Skeen Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1517 From: Sacramento, CA Registered: Aug 2000 posted 06-15-2004 01:09 PM                     Should be ITS, not IT'S.  |  IP: Logged Rob Butler Film Handler Posts: 91 From: Westford, MA, USA Registered: Mar 2004 posted 06-15-2004 02:00 PM                     quote: John Pytlak Ten years ago, prints were more likely to have been properly edgewaxed by the labs. People were trying to lubricate prints with WD-40, or mineral oil, which could leach out the oil-soluble dyes and cause mottle. WD-40 on the prints? did that work? I'm pretty sure WD40 has a slight tint to it that would probibly darken the image on screen. Also, at one point it would seem like a bad idea to have an aresol can of WD-40 sitting next to a projector running nitrate film.  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 06-15-2004 03:32 PM                        WD-40 should NOT be used on film!  |  IP: Logged

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