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Author Topic: How popular is 16mm Richard Fowler Film God Posts: 2392 From: Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA Registered: Jun 2001 posted 08-08-2004 07:05 PM                     In the early 1970's Trans Lux and some independent operators where showing 16mm in some locations with 1.85/1 masked prints. Bell and Howell had a 1.85 aperture plate available that clipped into the front of the spring gate runners, behind the lens.  |  IP: Logged Frank Jerkic Film Handler Posts: 77 From: Ayr Queensland Australia Registered: May 2004 posted 08-10-2004 09:11 PM                        Now that some 16mm prints come out in the letter box style, would anybody be able to inform me what size lens would one need to fill the sheet, the screen is 12ft high and the throw from the projector is 50ft. Thanxs in advance  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 08-10-2004 10:32 PM                     21.7mm Try the ISCO Vario-Kiptaron 20-60mm...it is the best lens ever made. Steve  |  IP: Logged Brian Guckian Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 594 From: Dublin, Ireland Registered: Apr 2003 posted 08-11-2004 03:44 PM                     Steve - are these lenses still stock items or do they have to be built to order? I remember screening a 1.85 masked 16mm short at a film festival about 10 years ago...the screen was about 50ft x 20ft on Scope and our image was about 18ft x 10ft (that's excluding the matte). The DP had shot entirely on 50 ASA Kodak stock and the result was amazing. It was a beautiful picture in every sense. BUT...the Director is now a HD-freak...again, I doubt he would ever return to 16mm for short or low-budget work. In fairness I think the question I asked previously belongs in another forum, as it is an aesthetic issue, not a technical one.  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 08-11-2004 08:42 PM                     I do not know if ISCO keeps stock on them. Generally when I need one is when I also am selling a Kinoton FP-38E....which takes 3-4 months to receive...so the time-lag on the lens is never an issue. Generally though I can get them in under a month...note they are not stocked in the States. We generally have one at the ready for Kionton/Eiki and one for ELMO. Steve  |  IP: Logged Gordon Bachlund Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 696 From: Monrovia, CA, USA Registered: Aug 1999 posted 08-12-2004 10:02 AM                        Steve, how does the Vario-Kiptaron compare with a fixed focal length lens? I am thinking of the old B&H Film-O-Vara add-ons that seemed to detract from image resolution.  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 08-12-2004 04:22 PM                     The ISCO Vario-Kiptaron (20-60mm ONLY) are better than any lens...fixed or zoom and I am not limiting it to just 16mm format lenses...They beat current Schneider and ISCO super-duper lenses...it just seems to have had some sort of devine intervention in its design or something...it is that incredible. Too bad it is only for 16mm. For Philips, Kinoton, Bosch and Bauer, it is part number: 481.11 For Eiki (same as above but with grooves for the Eiki focus: 481.30. For Elmo, part number: 481.01 For Bell and Howell, I think you use the 481.11 and add an adapter number 105.00482.03.21. This has an ID of 42.7 and an OD of 52.5mm. Steve  |  IP: Logged Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 08-13-2004 10:03 AM                        And for Eastman 25B? Which BTW anyone wants to buy cheap? let me know; I've got 2 to sell both in good to excellent working order. Hitch is, you gotta come get 'em. AND they have the original Strong carbon arc lamphouses, but it is universal pedestal and will accept Xetron and many others without modification. For that matter, we've got two B&H 16mm JANS too. We are renovating and the scum administration wants to put in "all new" cause someone whispered in their ear (the one that's connected to their cockroach-sized brain) "new is better." Sooner or later I will post this stuff appropriately.  |  IP: Logged Brian Guckian Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 594 From: Dublin, Ireland Registered: Apr 2003 posted 08-13-2004 06:57 PM                     Thanks for the info Steve, good to know these items are still available. Mr. Angel - you have not one, but two of the greatest 16mm machines ever built? That's an offer no-one can refuse. Does your refit spec. include 16mm? Also, what is the parts availability today on the Eastman 25 models?  |  IP: Logged Frank Jerkic Film Handler Posts: 77 From: Ayr Queensland Australia Registered: May 2004 posted 08-13-2004 09:35 PM                        Steve thanxs so much for that valuable info on the ISCO Vario-Kiptaron 20-60mm lens, seems like heaps of people agree with your view, now the easy part is trying to find one for my Eiki hmmmmmm....... Thanxs n Regards Frank  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 08-13-2004 09:49 PM                     Whomever distributes ISCO theatrical lenses into your country should be able to order one for you. For instance, any Strong dealer in the USA can order it through Strong International. Steve  |  IP: Logged Steve Kraus Film God Posts: 4094 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 08-13-2004 11:30 PM                    Even better than the ISCO 99mm lens (intended for 70mm film)? Whoa.  |  IP: Logged Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 08-14-2004 02:32 PM                        Yes, Brian, the Eastmans are superb machines, over-designed with the Eastman designers and engineers told to make the best 16mm projector they could design with no consideration for cost. Only thing they neglected was changeable aperture plates. I was able to have a machineist fabricate a circular plug that snaps into the existing plate and produces a 1.85 aperture. And yes, we had FOUR of these beauties. Two in both our theatres. When we put in 35mm in the big theatre, a new port was cut in the booth wall and the Eastman was moved over to accommodate the Simplex XLs. Then "extra" 25B from that booth was moved to add 16mm capability in a sister theatre. The two that are at issue now were taken out of our smaller theatre because the college theatre department (academic departments have MUCH more political clout than us) said that film simply takes up too much time out of the production schedule for their gawdawful theatre productions. The Eastmans were removed from that booth and put in storage for 15 years while I patiently lay in wait for my chance to snap pictures of the department chairperson having sex with farm animals, that being my opportunity to have TOTAL polical power over the theatre. Alas, farm animals would have none of it (farm animals' tastes are more refined than we give them credit for), so my plan was thwarted. We've outfitted one of the Eastmans to play 6000ft long-play reels -- I was quite simple -- just blocked up the existing arms and adding a more powerful motor to the take-up arm. As for parts, ICESCO in FL has SOME parts. Eastman stopped supplying parts years ago.  |  IP: Logged

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