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Author Topic: "New" Technicolor Orange reels. Jon Miller Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 973 From: San Diego, CA, USA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 12-05-2004 09:52 AM                     An HFC reel... I second Scott's recommendation. The smooth, well-molded finger holes are also very easy to grasp. Definitely the Rolls-Royce of plastic shipping reels. Alas, the paranoid distributors can't separate the flanges in order to destroy a print after its run.  |  IP: Logged John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 12-05-2004 10:10 AM                     So, of course "perfect" is in the eye of the beholder. The cost savings to the exchange of a clip-together reel is pretty large, I think. If that's intended to be a serious suggestion, well...it's like saying the perfect reel is the Goldberg aluminum 15" cast aluminum reel (5" hub diameter variety). Nevermind that it lists for $95, has substantial weight, and is kinda wide for ICC cans. You would need a very convincing argument that touches on the financials. --jhawk (picture from rsem.com)  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 12-05-2004 03:13 PM                     I believe they said quote: Definitely the Rolls- Royce of plastic shipping reels. This may shock you Jhawk, but I'm actually not a fan of those Goldberg reels. I will run shows any day of the week on the HFC plastic ones that Scott posted about over a Goldberg. They are lighter weight and produce perfectly smooth film winds in pretty much any scenario. I keep coming across too many Goldberg reels that have bent flanges, and they are damn near impossible to try and re-bend the flanges back flat. The HFC reels do not suffer this. It is for this reason that I have given away my collection of Goldberg reels in favor of HFC reels in my screening room, and every theater I have serviced that had Goldbergs did the same thing. (BTW, I'm not saying the Goldberg reels are crap. If I couldn't have the HFC reels, the Goldberg would be my second choice.) Anyway, these HFC reels are perfect except for one tiny flaw. If you are running/storing with lab leaders only, those leaders are not long enough to put enough wraps around the hub to prevent crease marks from occuring down the center of the film where the two halves of the reel were glued together over time. This isn't so much of a problem with the heads, but the tails are noticeable. So prints stored heads out on these reels, without extra tail leader added, will have crease marks during the last 10 seconds of the reel or so. (But what bonehead doesn't add extra tail leader anyway???) Still that's a pretty minor gripe for an otherwise PERFECT reel design. If only they clipped together! Oh well, nothing is perfect, but I do think everyone will love version 2 of the upcoming orange TES reels. I just got a prototype and it seems they have fixed all of the problems with it.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 12-05-2004 06:59 PM                     ..Yea great reel those HFC's - manage to hang on to a few of them. Reminds you of a plastic version of a new Goldberg reel that haven't seen any abuse - just well rounded, solid, straight and well built. Many-a-times when a film would come in on metal reels and having to bend the flanges out to almost straight to payout/takeup the film on. That was a projectionist's challenge to do. Only thing I do miss with the old Goldbergs' is to find the studio's moniker and the month and year they bought the reel which they stamped on the flanges. I've seen Goldbergs with year stampings in the '30s. Then,TECH that found a maker to take that Hollywood Film Corp reel design, stick their "TES" moniker around the flange and made it into a split reel to mount their cores on. And then from there on, we had nothing but a stack of problems with those split reels, especially when TECH would never throw away the ones that were starting to break, have broken, never stayed clamped together, to where I would glue the damned things back together so they would stay together when breaking down and shipping out. Then, TECH took that design and modify it some, which was an improvement, but still couldn't stay together after awhile, and the big bummer is when we discount houses gets a print that TECH didn't check over, and the last user's MUT wound the film on loose on the core and they place that reel in the can, we pull that reel out of the can, flanges fall off and with that loose film windage, see the core slide out of that windage and that reel of film cascade on the floor. Never had any of these sort of problems with ETS ..  |  IP: Logged Michael Wilkinson The Entertainment King of Colusa and Beyond Posts: 89 From: Colusa, CA USA Registered: Apr 2004 posted 12-08-2004 06:04 AM                        Here's a shot of this week's champion fall apart reel-not an orange one sorry to say...Not to mention the obvious crappy wind job! The picture doesn't do justice to how the film was wound onto the reel like it was on a dish or something!  |  IP: Logged Dustin Mitchell Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1865 From: Mondovi, WI, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 12-08-2004 07:02 AM                     As a general note for those who may not be aware the above pictured reel came from an ETS depot.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 12-09-2004 01:01 AM                     (WOW..a CHR AW2...any problems with the modules that are in the end of the platter arms?) Now..that draws an interesting question: Does both, ETS and TECH depots, receive their new prints from the labs themselve on these cores, or do they arrive on different cores then have to be mounted on the depot's cores before the flange assembly? Why I ask this one, for I've seen prints come in from ETS that are still sealed by the lab, whereas TECH print's seals were broken before mounting and shipping. If this is the case above, esp with ETS, then it's the lab who can't do even winds on the cores before sending them out to the depots....- thx Monte [ 12-09-2004, 03:28 AM: Message edited by: Monte L Fullmer ]  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-09-2004 08:11 AM                     Actually there are lots of AW-2 platters still running just fine over in Twin Falls! Mark  |  IP: Logged Steve Kraus Film God Posts: 4094 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 12-09-2004 08:42 AM                    The whole point of the plastic split reel is so that prints may be mounted / unmounted without winding so yeah, the labs supply them on suitable cores. There may be exceptions like maybe when one of their clients is using prints made by a smaller or overseas lab and is supplied on 3" cores and of course sometimes the lab is ordered to supply a print already mounted and these reels may be standard plastic (not split) reels. But for the most part it's a matter of tearing off the shrink wrap and popping on two flanges.  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-09-2004 09:04 AM                     I favor the cast aluminum goldberg reel if they are bent it isn't the reels fault but a negligent operator who dropped them Also they have a larger centre core 5" than the plastic reels 4" and that can be an issue with some takeup systems  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 12-09-2004 01:39 PM                     Yea, Larry's Cinemas. And we had two AW2' up in Ontario at the Centre that I had to take out, which were running fine, and relplaced with the AP-3's that were in storage. Now, that theatre is shut down again.  |  IP: Logged Aaron Sisemore Flaming Ribs beat Reeses Peanut Butter Cups any day! Posts: 3061 From: Rockwall TX USA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 12-09-2004 09:16 PM                     Mike's AW2s are custom jobs utilizing a SPECO-style outer-rim drive method and I know he has done other tweeks and stuff to them over the years.. -Aaron  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-09-2004 11:08 PM                     quote: Monte L Fullmer Now, that theatre is shut down again. Reopening it was a waste of time, money, and peoples efforts. It should be converted for other use or torn down to make a parking lot..... Actually the AW-2's are better than the AP3 if updated and maintained correctly. They are LESS likely to damage film. Brad, I totally agree with you on the HFC plastic reels!! They are the safest to use and gentlest on film. Best plastic reels ever made and I'll take them any day over any Goldberg product. Goldberg SUCKS ! Mark  |  IP: Logged Thomas Procyk Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1842 From: Royal Palm Beach, FL, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 12-10-2004 11:05 AM                     If I had to pick a plastic split-reel, my first choice would be these, most often used on New Line prints: Manufactured by "FilmTreat" These are made of a very hard but smooth plastic. They don't get warped or bent out of shape, the clip in the center holds the ends together tight, but is easy to take apart, too. The only drawback is that there's only one hole on the hub for the 2nd spindle. =TMP=  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 12-10-2004 01:40 PM                     Re: the FilmTreat reel above. Last I heard from Helmut, they were adding a second drive pin hole AND making the spokes of the flanges a little bit wider to make marking a "fill line" with a piece of 3/4" tape easier. On the same subject, each print of Meet the Fockers is going to have one of the new orange TES reels (not the original ones everyone has already seen, but the revised ones with the flaws corrected).  |  IP: Logged

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