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Anslem Rayburn
Master Film Handler

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From: Yuma, AZ, USA
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 - posted 11-10-2004 06:09 AM      Profile for Anslem Rayburn   Email Anslem Rayburn   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I learned via a full time projectionist, and that got me started. I have learned much from these forums (thank you all). I now thread without the film touching the ground, and run Film Guard on every show I can (1 cleaner on 8 screens).

I have been training in a new kid (he's 18, but is very mature and actually listens to what I tell him). I even printed the manuals "Threading 101" and "Building 101" (I won't let him build yet, I think he needs more time threading first, but I think the tips there will help him understand the importance of proper film handling).

I guess I'm wondering how long you train people for threading and running film. He has been training for 3 weeks, and I'm very confident he understands how to run film properly. For the last two weeks, he has threaded every show (two days per week). I checked him while threading and prior to start, and he is doing a perfect job.

I plan to take old previews and reels that Technicolor doesn't want (they haven't picked it up in two years) and making test runs of brain wraps and other problems (during down time), teaching him how to deal with issues that might arise in the booth. Is it too early to do this, or do you think that it is okay to move on to this step?

I plan on working the same shifts as him for the next 2 weeks (just being in the building, taking care of other things that need my attention outside of the booth, but being there just in case), but do you consider that enough time?

I am no master film handler, I think I still have plenty to learn. But I do a good job, and am comfortable with this guy running loose in my booth. Am I crazy, or should I trust him (even if I watch closely to make sure the good practices I have tried to instill stick)?

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John A. Parker Jr.
Film Handler

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From: Brevard, N.C., USA
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Go to the manuals section of this web site and read the kodak

film notes. While some of it is old tech, a lot of it is good

info! [thumbsup]
John A. Parker Jr.

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John Pytlak
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 - posted 11-11-2004 11:29 AM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Thanks. [Smile]

Paul Preo, who was the original editor of Kodak's "Film Notes for Reel People", retired from Kodak many years ago. (He can be seen as the puzzled projectionist in the first issue about platters (July 1980), H-50-11. I worked with Paul on issues since 1980. I also wrote many articles for the publication, especially since the Spring 1994 issue, H-50-33. [Cool]

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Mark J. Marshall
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 - posted 11-11-2004 12:40 PM      Profile for Mark J. Marshall     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The best piece of advice I can give outside of what's been said here already is: LEARN HOW TO RUN A MANUAL SHOW! You never know when you might have to do that one day, and it will help you figure out where all the switches and buttons are and what they do.

That will really help you get around some problems quickly should one come up.

You'll become a lot more than the standard "button pusher" film handlers that run so many booths today.

Good luck! [Smile]

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David Yauch
Expert Film Handler

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 - posted 11-18-2004 01:10 AM      Profile for David Yauch   Email David Yauch   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Well just a quick update. Things have gone very well with the training. I've worked some shifts on my own and haven't had any problems with scratches or pictures out of focus. I did start one show with the masking in about a week ago but caught it in trailers, and started about 10 shows a day out of frame before i got the whole framing thing down [Embarrassed] You'll be happy to know I only started one show out of frame today, and none during my last shift. I was also the only person in the booth today that knew what a photocell was.

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Barry Martin
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 - posted 11-18-2004 01:26 AM      Profile for Barry Martin   Author's Homepage   Email Barry Martin   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
David, do you know why you are having trouble with framing? Are you setting the intermittent before threading?

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Chase Hanson
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 - posted 11-18-2004 04:45 AM      Profile for Chase Hanson   Email Chase Hanson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Well, im just a lowly super button-pusher but...

A: Dont be button pusher.

Every CPA ive seen has an auto timmer, your ability to push buttons can be easily replaced.

B: Vocabulary doesnt make you good

You might be the only person up stairs that knows what a photocell is, but if you cant fix the problem with the photocell that knowledge doesnt do you a damn bit of good.

C: Showmanship is only half your job

Too many times have I seen new Projectionists that think if their start is "On time, in frame and in focus" their hands are clean. The giant machine with thousands of moving parts is on your side of the port glass, and entropy is a bitch.

D: I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.


Frank Herbert rocks...that aside.
Ive known a few projectionists that have some how managed to NEVER have to deal with one power supply failure or brain wrap. They are by far the worst projectionists I have ever worked worth. If the thought of a sold out auditorum watching you through the port glass window and 8 different managers harassing you over the radio while you have to resplice reels 2 and 3 back together, is too much for you to handle; you should seriously reconsider becoming a projectionist.

Other than that [thumbsup]

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David Yauch
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quote: Barry Martin
David, do you know why you are having trouble with framing? Are you setting the intermittent before threading?

Well originally I was having problems because I was framing after I was completely done with the rest of the threading(which was how the obnoxious projectionist who trained me at the time had me doing) and so I was constantly leaving an extra perf or two of film in the gate area just before the intermittent which would of course cause it to pop right out of frame. After I had another projectionist show me how to check the motor knob and a couple others showed me how they did their framing I was just fine. I've only had 2 problems since, one was due to a bad splice and the other was due to not clamping the pad roller to the intermittent(a.k.a. carelessness).

quote: Chase Hanson
You might be the only person up stairs that knows what a photocell is, but if you cant fix the problem with the photocell that knowledge doesnt do you a damn bit of good.
But the bonus for me is that technical problems are all handled through our engineering department, so aside from those going above and beyond, all you really need to know is enough of the vocabulary to describe the problem so they can either walk you through it or properly equip themselves to come out and fix it.

quote: Chase Hanson
Too many times have I seen new Projectionists that think if their start is "On time, in frame and in focus" their hands are clean. The giant machine with thousands of moving parts is on your side of the port glass, and entropy is a bitch.
Point taken, I double check all auditoriums throughout the show, and triple check when time permits. And of course we have a presentationist downstairs checking every show twice as well.

quote: Chase Hanson
If the thought of a sold out auditorum watching you through the port glass window and 8 different managers harassing you over the radio while you have to resplice reels 2 and 3 back together, is too much for you to handle; you should seriously reconsider becoming a projectionist.
That's half the fun!

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Thomas Procyk
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quote: Chase Hanson
Ive known a few projectionists that have some how managed to NEVER have to deal with one power supply failure or brain wrap. They are by far the worst projectionists I have ever worked worth.
Guess I'm a bad projectionist then. [Frown] I've fixed my share of film and minor mechanical problems (belts, etc.) but when it comes to opening up the rectifier or doing any sort of electrical-related work, I usually leave that up to the techs.

Yes, I'm afraid. And even if someone showed me how to do it, I'd still be afraid. I'll try to fix what I can to get the show back on or keep it going, but I just don't feel comfortable messing with high-voltage stuffs. Moreso because I'm afraid of breaking something worse.

I'm impressed with many of the members on here who have done this for years and have no problems jumping into the guts of a lamphouse/console. [thumbsup] I envy your bravery!

=TMP=

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Chase Hanson
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quote: Thomas Procyk
Guess I'm a bad projectionist then. I've fixed my share of film and minor mechanical problems (belts, etc.) but when it comes to opening up the rectifier or doing any sort of electrical-related work, I usually leave that up to the techs.
Nope not really.

Because you've had to fix things. That makes you a million times more valuable than the people I was trying to describe.

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Scott Norwood
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I don't "do" rectifiers, either, mostly because I've never had one fail (knock on wood) and no one has ever shown me how to change diodes or do anything else to them. I hope to learn how to do this safely someday. I replaced an igniter once, though.

Oh, and I've had exactly _one_ brainwrap (very minor--it was my own fault during a botched trailer change). I guess I must also be a sucky operator.

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William Hooper
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In all those funky old booths where you work, Scott, you need to pull the power, take the panels off the rectifiers, & at least look in there!

Besides simple things like possibly catching a connection falling off or a wire burning up, you might see other things that you might want to take care of.

My favorite is a couple of old Ashcraft rectifiers (the ones with a bit of space below, & a cooling fan inside which draws air therefrom & exhausts it through the top) filled almost completely with styrofoam packing peanuts it had sucked up at some time.

Open that thing up! Tighten those connections! Vacuum that thing out! Lick the asbestos-covered wires for good luck!

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John Pytlak
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I agree. At least check visually to be sure there aren't any issues like clogged ventilation, brittle insulation, or overheated contacts or connections. Use your nose too, as even slight burning smells can point to a problem or overheating. Just be sure to "Lock Out, Tag Out" any power feed, and safely discharge any filter capacitors. [Eek!]

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Mark J. Marshall
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quote: Chase HansonYou might be the only person up stairs that knows what a photocell is, but if you cant fix the problem with the photocell that knowledge doesnt do you a damn bit of good.
But the bonus for me is that technical problems are all handled through our engineering department, so aside from those going above and beyond, all you really need to know is enough of the vocabulary to describe the problem so they can either walk you through it or properly equip themselves to come out and fix it.
[thumbsup] Right answer! You don't have to know how to fix it, but being able to speak to the engineers on the phone without using words like "round thingy with the teeth on it that turns intermitantly" will be an amazing help to both you and the engineers. And by knowing the terminology, learning how to fix it will come later.

As to fixing rectifiers, if you're only making a few dollars an hour above minimum wage, and you don't know exactly what you're looking at, you don't make enough money to open it up and look around. It can kill you... or at least send you flying across the room, if you touch something in there that you shouldn't - even with the power off. My advice is LOOK for a stuck fan or something else that's obvious, SMELL for something burning, then call someone else who makes a lot more than you do to look at it.

Now, I can hear the Film-Tech vets lining up to tell me I'm wrong on this and that it's perfectly safe as long as you know what you're doing, but I think this needs to be said. Of every piece of machinery / electronics in the booth, that is the one thing I always tell my new booth puppies to stay away from. Now, like everything else, I encourage folks that want to learn about it to learn from the pros that come in and handle those things for a living. But until you do, don't touch! [Wink]

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David Yauch
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 - posted 11-27-2004 03:53 AM      Profile for David Yauch   Email David Yauch   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Oh boy time for another update.

Lets see, the other day I was way behind on my threading, and as a result I started an OC spongebob instead of the normal one(oops!) and threaded a movie with the film track in(at least I caught this one before the customers saw it!). Anyways, the reason I was so behind on my threading was because one of our engineering men came down and wanted me to show him all of our big problems in the booth. If you're thinking there's no point to this, you'll see where I'm going. In a move that would make most Film-Techers cringe and hurl, I got to personally witness a xenon bulb changing where the operator wore no protective gear! Yay! Anyways the good news is that it didn't blow up so I'm still here without any glass in me. Oh, and the xenon bulb in question was no baby, it was a good ol' 5000 watt, serving our biggest screen...

Other than that I did learn how to tear down prints, and I'm sure you'll all be relieved to learn that we do peel off splices, label reels correctly, handle film carefully, yadda yadda yadda. In fact I get to tear down again on thursday, and I think I might be tearing down the first print I ever built up!

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