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Topic: Hellboy reel 5 tail - 45 seconds of black?

Frank Angel
Film God

Posts: 5305
From: Brooklyn NY USA
Registered: Dec 1999

posted 11-08-2004 11:30 AM

45 seconds of black with no sound and they cut that at the end of a reel? Pretty much shows that some editors have never been in a projection booth. It would be a little less of a problem in C/O operation as the cues are in the right place, but as pointed out, when building up prints, cue marks not usually used as any reference.

The networks always send timing out to the affiliates for the evenings shows, indicating where commericals will happen. I recall seeing a note indicating the exact time where there would be black and no sound in an episode of Little House on the Prarie. It only makes sense to let the people down the line know what's going on so they don't panic and throw up a "Please Stand-By" card.

There is a section in the movie HEAD where it looks like the film actually burns. It is totally effective and really does look like a frame caught in the gate, bubbles and burns. We never got the note that supposedly was sent around first run. And OF COURSE I slammed down the dowser. To bad. For something like that they should have printed it right into the head leader. SIMULATED BURN - DO NOT CLOSE DOWSER.

For a director not to communicating the fact that something as odd as 45 seconds of black with no sound is going to happen AT THE END OF A REEL, well, he deserves what he gets.

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Alexander Smith
Expert Film Handler

Posts: 128
From: Walney Island, Barrow-in-Furness, Cumbria.
Registered: Jun 2003

posted 11-08-2004 01:23 PM

Here in the UK we only received print number USA157 which
was (poorly) cleaned-up, and pre-scratched in places.

Also, it had been plattered before, and the foot of R5 was
pre-cut for us. Therefore we had no chance of preserving
the director's intention.

Alex.

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Andrew Shingleton
Film Handler

Posts: 63
From: Richmond, Victoria, Australia
Registered: Feb 2004

posted 11-08-2004 02:49 PM

I'm thinking we must have had a similar situation with a used print. 45 seconds (ie: 67.5 feet) is a lot of extra "leader" to go unnoticed, and I'm sure some alarm bells would have gone off.

I remember reading somewhere on film-tech not too long ago (no idea which thread) that when prints are recycled for use overseas any reference frames are cut off and the leader is simply spliced back on. I wonder how many prints which were shipped overseas for international release actually even arrived with this 45 seconds, let alone actually made it to screen!

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