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Jannette McQueen
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Rich Ferrando said:

Since our booth, due to the stupidity of its design, has very low light, we do need to be able to feel AND see the splices. So, we simply use the zebra tape in the exact opposite way than it's intended, meaning the space that's traditionally BETWEEN the zebra portions. The division between the zebra portions of the tape are slightly less than 35mm long, so what you end up with is a bit of yellow on the extreme top and bottom of the splice (on the SDDS soundtracks), which leaves the picture area, analog soundrack, Dolby Digital soundtrack, and DTS timecode track completely clear.

I thought that was the way it was supposed to be used [Eek!] Afterall, the roll sits in the splicer the same way. And while it's true that you're wasting half the roll, by having to use the lines on either edge of the film, it's zebra tape, who cares?

We don't normally stock zebra tape, but there was a mix up when we ordered it (person who made the order from our theater must have gotten the numbers wrong, or thought it was something different from what he actually ordered ... whatever) I've been using it only for breakdowns. We have a small amount of regular clear tape around for our own film presentation, but since we're short on that, I thought I'd use the zebra stuff on films we're going to ship out since more than likely anyone who recieves the print is going to peel the tape off anyway when they make it up onto a platter, or if they're on changeovers, it *is* a real splice even if it has the markings (unlike some people who break down using *choke* masking tape [Frown] )

Of course, I use completely clear tape for reel to reel changes. BUT I admit I do use yellow opaque tape for trailer splices. Afterall, it's black film to black film. Sorry if anyone finds that objectionable.

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Chris Hipp
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The only problems that I can see with using opaque in the trailers would be sound related. Could cause a pop in the analog or cause you digital to drop out.

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Brad Miller
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Assuming you have at least decent light from your lamphouse, opaque splices within the black between trailers are still visible as a rolling "darker black" flash.

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Carl Martin
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i don't find it super-objectionable. it is visible, especially if it's 1" tape, since black film isn't completely black. but black levels often vary between trailers anyways and the splice doesn't interrupt the continuity of anything. still i use clear tape though.

carl

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Joe Redifer
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Opaque tape is unprofessional, even on trailers. If your eyes suck so bad that you need opaque tape to find the splice, then you shouldn't even be working in the projection booth. Instead you should be outside selling pencils in a cup. As far as old crappy prints with tons of splices, why not just mark the reel at it's full point as you are building it up? This is explained in the Building 101 Tips Section. Once it gets close to that mark, you slow down and look for the reel change. Easy as pie and does not slow you down at all. Any other way than my way is obviously the wrong way, for there is no better, higher quality way!

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Mike Blakesley
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What in the HELL is the point of using opaque tape in the trailer reel? Trailers are the absolute easiest splices to find, fercripesake.

I'd like to see NATO come out with a resolution against opaque tape. Although it'd probably work about as well as the failed trailer volume resolution(s) did.

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Frank Angel
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The booth I work in has literally DOZENS of rolls of freakin YELLOW tape. Anybody have ANY ideas on what other uses this crap could have? I hate throwing it all out, but I fear that should I retire I KNOW someone is going to break that stuff out & start using it.

quote: Mike Blakesley
I'd like to see NATO come out with a resolution against opaque tape. Although it'd probably work about as well as the failed trailer volume resolution(s) did.
I'd like to see NATO do ANYTHING proactive to improve booth operations. After all, these ARE the same theatre owners who are willing to give up their first born child if it would eliminate one more projectionist's salary regardless of the degradation that will impact on presentation. It's a good bet that these people are not worried about a 24th of a second black flash on the screen at every reel join.

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Rich Ferrando
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quote: Frank Angel
Anybody have ANY ideas on what other uses this crap could have?
It could make good Caution Tape. Or perhaps use it to mark steps or aisleways. There's also lots of decorative uses (Splice Tape Bouquets, ball gags, etc.)

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Frank Angel
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I just came back from that booth and tried using it to tape two small plastic boxes together only to find that it had gone bad --if you pull a foot off it off the role, the yellow comes off in splotches. Seems like the yellow pigment does something to the adhesive to make it pull off mylar backing leaving big gaping spaces with no adhesive with the yellow adhesive sticking to the tape underneath it. Good; now I can just throw the lot out without feeling guilty.

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Monte L Fullmer
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quote: Frank Angel
I can just throw the lot out without feeling guilty
..junk makes good shipping tape when wrapped around itself a couple of times (if you can find a few good rolls to do this trick with..)

Monte.

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Carl Martin
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our remaining opaque perforated tape gets used for blooping splices when necessary (just a tiny wedge cut out) or for splicing film that will never show on screen, like when adding extra tail leader to a print.

it should last some time.

carl

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Manny Knowles
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I just had the need to rant about opaque tape today.

That's all.

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Jack Ondracek
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We've only had the season open three weeks and I've already received a move-over with yellow tape.

We've been using clear for as long as I recall. I'm too cheap to waste half a roll, even if it is Zebra tape, and the blips in the picture are not acceptable to me. Of course, there's the effect on sound. I've always been baffled by people who think they need opaque, zebra, markie pens, shoe polish or animated, electrified arrows. Just doesn't seem that big a problem.

Even when I break down at night, the lights on my platters provide enough to see that a splice is coming up. You can see the bands from across the room, fer cryin'out loud.

I'll be digital next year, and will be glad never to have to see or clean off another opaque splice. [puke]

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